Spoilers Thor: Love and Thunder grade and discussion thread

[tomalak301]

I loved Iron Man 3, and the twist was one of my favorite parts. I can see why purists hate it, but Ben Kingsley is fucking hilarious as Trevor Slattery, so that helps a lot for me.

Sure, but most of it is still done in a way that you don't have to watch anything else, to follow a specific movie or show. My mom isn't interested in any of the D+ series, but she still came to see Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and followed it fine. You will definitely get more out of them if you see the related stuff, but you don't need to.

The thing that disappointed me about Dr. Strange the most was it felt like Loki was supposed to set up Dr. Strange and Loki, or the events of Loki weren't even mentioned at all. Maybe I was just expecting too much.

 

[Set Harth]

Does Wanda's role in Strange 2 make sense if one has not seen WandaVision?

 

[JD]

Yeah, that was kind of weird. I guess Loki did introduce the concepts of the multiverse and variants, but the way they talked about it, I was expecting a more direct connection.

 

[Set Harth]

I think Strange 1 introduced the multiverse.

 

[theenglish]

I loved Age Of Ultron and Iron Man 3, so there you go.

I really liked both of them as well, despite a couple of quibbles with Ultron (basically how Natasha was handled--and the Thor vision quest) I really liked the movie and the ending was the most spectacular super-hero action sequence up until that point in time. I also really enjoyed IM3, and I liked the Mandarin twist. After the first Avengers movie, the franchise needed a more introspective story and we got it. I kind of put IM3 in the same category as TNG's "Home"--a lower key story after a big action adventure that let's us see how the protagonist deals with their psychological injuries.

Isn't the MCU still interconnected for the most part? I mean all these series on D+ are setting up something bigger, so if you want to enjoy a movie like The Marvels, seeing something like Ms. Marvel first might enhance that enjoyment. I think this is why I would like to see these D+ shows actually stay as shows and we get a second season of Ms. Marvel (With more episodes). If the MCU can branch off in different directions and not make it feel like you need to see everything to enjoy the big movies, then that should help with "MCU Fatigue".

I think the way to view the individual series is the same way we read comic books. Not every story is meant to interconnect and move toward to huge crossover, but some elements do. You don't need to find that issue of Spider-Man or She-Hulk to get a few details that will be plot points in the crossover, because that big event crossover will give you the information you need to know.

 

[Mage]

https://collider.com/iron-man-3-rebecca-hall-character-details-original-version/

Moral of the story: Ike Perlmutter is a sexist asshole who was wrong every step of the way with the MCU until Feige finally got full control.

I can't believe I didn't know this. Wow.

 

[Anwar]

Iron Man 3 is monumentally underrated. People bitch about it because of the Mandarin twist and the kid sidekick, but neither of those things bother me anymore. The kid sidekick never did bother me, because he's only in the middle third of the movie.

As for the Mandarin twist, I admit that it got my knickers in a twist at the time, but now I see it as a brilliant plot twist and consider Trevor Slattery to be one of my favorite characters in the mcu.

What's stranger is that everyone figured out that Marion Cotillard was playing Talia in TDKR immediately but the MCU covered up the Mandarin thing so well.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Does Wanda's role in Strange 2 make sense if one has not seen WandaVision?

Yes, 100%. Save yourself the endurence test that is Wandavision.

 

[Set Harth]

I've seen it. ( It was imo the best of the three Marvel shows I watched. )
I was just wondering if someone who hadn't seen it would be able to 100% follow Wanda's story in the film.

 

[theenglish]

Yes, 100%. Save yourself the endurence test that is Wandavision.

The show that had 20+ Emmy nominations? Wandavision is one of the best MCU shows so far and one of the best shows from 2021 across all scripted series.

One of the major quibbles I have with Dr. Strange is that it did seem to assume that viewers were familiar with Wanda's current status and the events of Wandavision, which it really shouldn't have done. It is the one MCU movie I have felt that way about.

 

[Mage]

Yes, 100%. Save yourself the endurence test that is Wandavision.

Grandious statements like this will always baffle me. How about 'Yes, you can skip WandaVision. Personally, I did not enjoy it. Perhaps you'll like it, but if you really want to watch Strange 2, you can do so without watching WandaVision first.'

All this 'I hated show X or movie Y so no one should bother with it' is just silly.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Grandious statements like this will always baffle me. How about 'Yes, you can skip WandaVision. Personally, I did not enjoy it. Perhaps you'll like it, but if you really want to watch Strange 2, you can do so without watching WandaVision first.'

All this 'I hated show X or movie Y so no one should bother with it' is just silly.

Especially when they're in the minority view. If the person asking generally fits with the majority, then they're obviously the wrong person to take this type of advice from.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Grandious statements like this will always baffle me. How about 'Yes, you can skip WandaVision. Personally, I did not enjoy it. Perhaps you'll like it, but if you really want to watch Strange 2, you can do so without watching WandaVision first.'

All this 'I hated show X or movie Y so no one should bother with it' is just silly.

I suppose I could have been more polite about it, apologies. Each to their own, I loved Dr Strange 2 but did not enjoy Wandavision at all. Loki is the only D+ Marvel series that I really liked, and I'm giving most of them a miss since Moon Knight (which started off great, but ended much less so, IMO)

 

[Tuskin38]

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[thribs]

I prefer the Zeus we see in the deleted scenes who is more of a new father figure to Thor, rather than just another asshole.

 

[Anwar]

I prefer the Zeus we see in the deleted scenes who is more of a new father figure to Thor, rather than just another asshole.

But Zeus IS traditionally an asshole.

 

[Thestral]

But then, so is Odin.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Yeah, but not nearly as much as Zeus.

 

[fireproof78]

I prefer the Zeus we see in the deleted scenes who is more of a new father figure to Thor, rather than just another asshole.

Zeus in myths is 100% an asshole.

 

[thribs]

Zeus in myths is 100% an asshole.

That doesn’t need to be the case here. They are always taking liberties with their mythology characters.