Things you DON'T want to see in a reboot...

[2takesfrakes]

And more important of all, the 18 to 34 demographic getting onboard for the new TREK would soon discover - and realise - that there's so much more STAR TREK in store! A STAR TREK with broad age ranges and other fiddly-bits on offer. And may I remind you that pensioners were young once, also? The new STAR TREK will remind them of how they used to be ... and feed their fantasies, by living vicariously through its characters. It's a real win-win ...

 

[Warped9]

The comment that someone didn't want to see "old" people and that twenty somethings could be focused on is what got this started. A balance of age ranges would simply be more effective in terms of broader appeal.

 

[F. King Daniel]

NuTrek 3: The Search for More Money!

Perfect.

Because movies I - X were made as high art first, and money makers second?

 

[Kemaiku]

NuTrek 3: The Search for More Money!

Perfect.

Because movies I - X were made as high art first, and money makers second?

Star Trek has always been Paramounts cashcow. Everything else was sheer luck, for a short while.

 

[BigJake]

NuTrek 3: The Search for More Money!

Perfect.

Because movies I - X were made as high art first, and money makers second?

Or because some of us have an actual sense of humour?

 

[T'Girl]

Because movies I - X were made as high art first, and money makers second?

Certainly with TMP it was one of Roddenberry's and Wise's considerations.

 

[urbandefault]

Having a business model that appeals to more than children sounds sensible to me...

When did people in the 18 to 34 demographic become "children?"

To their parents, they always have been. And always will be.

It's not so much a case of "GET OFF MY LAWN!" as "I don't think these kids know how to drive."

 

[BigJake]

It's not so much a case of "GET OFF MY LAWN!" as "I don't think these kids know how to drive."

Well played.

 

[JarodRussell]

JJ can have the franchise another 50 years before I want an aging grandpa screaming at Klingons to get off his lawn for hours on end.

Having a business model that appeals to more than children sounds sensible to me...

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKUZ42T9diU[/yt]

 

[Warped9]

^^

 

[Warped9]

Two ideas occur to me. Not suggesting this would be done, but something like it.

Firstly, although I didn't watch JAG in its original run I caught up through reruns. Setting aside the soap operish like aspects I liked the character interaction and the depiction of the military in the series. It managed to make characters in a military environment three dimensional people rather than cardboard cut outs. They also managed to periodically address social issues. A new Trek could do worse than emulating this kind approach to storytelling.

Another part of the show that worked was the development and evolution of characters. A few characters remained while newer characters were introduced, stayed awhile and then moved on to replace those departed. One could have a series that followed one or two or three main characters while the rest of regular and supporting casts came and went.

In theory we could meet a young Lt. Kirk (or someone else) a few years out of the academy and then follow his/her rise to Captain and maybe beyond. This really would be closer to the Hornblower character in the books as Roddenberry initially alluded to.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Another part of the show that worked was the development and evolution of characters. A few characters remained while newer characters were introduced, stayed awhile and then moved on to replace those departed. One could have a series that followed one or two or three main characters while the rest of regular and supporting casts came and went.

In theory we could meet a young Lt. Kirk (or someone else) a few years out of the academy and then follow his/her rise to Captain and maybe beyond. This really would be closer to the Hornblower character in the books as Roddenberry initially alluded to.

I quite like this idea. If they decide a reboot has to feature Kirk, et al, then I would want them to be part of an ensemble where they don't take centre stage.

The series could focus on two ships and crews, young Kirk on the Yorktown and young Spock on the Enterprise--though no ridiculous jumps from cadet to lieutenant to captain. The series could either have two long-term plots for each ship which are developed and built upon each week, or they take it time about and do more stand alone episodes (one week on the Yorktown, the next on the Enterprise, then back to the Yorktown, etc.).

It wouldn't have to be the focus on how they became CO and XO of the Enterprise, but rather how they grow up and mature over time and experience.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Perfect.

Because movies I - X were made as high art first, and money makers second?

Or because some of us have an actual sense of humour?

Or have never seen Spaceballs. If they haven't then shame on them

 

[Mudd]

And more important of all, the 18 to 34 demographic getting onboard for the new TREK would soon discover - and realise - that there's so much more STAR TREK in store! A STAR TREK with broad age ranges and other fiddly-bits on offer. And may I remind you that pensioners were young once, also? The new STAR TREK will remind them of how they used to be ... and feed their fantasies, by living vicariously through its characters. It's a real win-win ...

Yeah, Trek fans often seem to have this notion that current Trek is some kind of "gateway drug" to getting high on the good old stuff.

Ain't so and hasn't been for quite a while. A franchise that's youth-oriented has a potential future.

 

[2takesfrakes]

To my knowledge, there isn't any serious discussion about returning STAR TREK to television, though I do know there've been a lot of talks. Some of which have been with Michael Dorn pitching his Captain Worf (!!!) series.

I'm not proud to say that I've looked at a rare few, random Fan Films - they sucked bad. Just so bad. And the ones featuring the real STAR TREK actors are the worst of the lot! You would think that fans, being so knowledgable about the show and loving it so much and so determined to see it on T.V. again, would've come out with some truly inspired concepts - crudely depicted, of course.

Most of the time, it seems to just be about stroking their own ego. Even on the most basic level, the story ideas are attrocious. The acting and production values are an embarassment. I try to laugh at the shit, but I can't ... I just can't. I have to turn away, especially when it's the real STAR TREK stars with egg on their face. There just doesn't seem to be anyone in our ranks who's up to the challenge of presenting us with exciting ideas for a new series.

 

[Warped9]

Fan productions are largely filmed versions of fanfic. These folks want to play in that favourite sandbox and perpetuate the things they like. Fans having been doing that in varying ways since Trek began and they can't and shouldn't be faulted for it even if one doesn't find it appealing.

In extent few fans are going to venture far beyond their comfort zone. They will largely emulate what they liked. Fan lit and fan art forums have long been examples of that and the fan film productions are extensions of that.

That isn't to say that fans don't have some genuinely interesting ideas, but most aren't in a position to have them realized or even mightn't have the nerve or confidence to go beyond their comfort zone. Most of those who embark on trying to be creative experience much the same thing: your earliest efforts are often amateurish and you lean heavily on what you know and have liked. It's later, assuming your confidence and proficiency builds, that you learn to build more on your own ideas.

I don't think fan films or fanfic are a good indicator of what fans think should be seen in a new "official" Trek, but they could be seen as a reflection of things they've liked from before.

Any new Trek project is going to face a minefield of wildly divergent hopes and expectations made even more complicated by the different forms of Trek we've already gotten. I would hazard most fans don't see too far beyond what they're familiar with and are dubious of anything seeming too far afield of the familiar. But that isn't to say most wouldn't embrace something new if it was executed in just the right way.

Before Star Trek there was little like it out there except for a couple of anthology series and a few now classic SF films. How many SF fans then were really expecting or envisioning that a series like Star Trek could come into existence given what else was out there at the time? I strongly suspect that if they had been asked what kind of series they would like to see made many fans wouldn't have strayed too far afield from what they were already familiar with.

 

[IndyTechTrekkie]

Wow guys from most of the responses I've read I'd say...

Star Trek is not wanted in a reboot.

Here is what I don't want to see:

the stupid prequel thing that has been done to death!

(for the record, I liked Enterprise, but I feel that treks trying to "go back to the begining" are doomed for failure.)

I think a new series needs to take place shortly after voyager ended, and I wouldnt mind to see things that have happened since that series.

Are the Borg still a threat?

is cardassia in shambles still?

How are the Klingons?

I just want to get back to trek and try to leave the whole time travel thing alone.

 

[BillJ]

I think a new series needs to take place shortly after voyager ended, and I wouldnt mind to see things that have happened since that series.

Are the Borg still a threat?

is cardassia in shambles still?

How are the Klingons?

I just want to get back to trek and try to leave the whole time travel thing alone.

These are all thing I definitely don't want to see. I want Star Trek to be fun again.

 

[JarodRussell]

I think a new series needs to take place shortly after voyager ended, and I wouldnt mind to see things that have happened since that series.

Are the Borg still a threat?

is cardassia in shambles still?

How are the Klingons?

I just want to get back to trek and try to leave the whole time travel thing alone.

These are all thing I definitely don't want to see. I want Star Trek to be fun again.

So if the next film wonders if the Romulans are still a threat, if New Vulcan is in shambles, and how the Klingons are, it won't be fun?

 

[RandyS]

*A complete loss of morals and optimism
"Edgy" and "Dark" is big right now, but I don't want to see Star Trek go Dark Knight on us. I think that Star Trek fundamentally is about people trying to do the right thing, and I'd like to see that continue. I'd hate to see an overly cynical Star Trek.

This sort of thing is exactly what drove me away from broadcast TV for good three years ago to the point that the only current shows I watch are (the recently ended) Clone Wars and The (nine years out of date) Simpsons, and both of those through DVD.

The existence of this comment tells me I'm still not missing anything. The misanthropic "anti heroes" are still alive and well on TV.

In short, I agree. I don't want a Star Trek show with characters like that either.