Or just clear the debris from the conduits. Should have used some sort up subspace tears or pockets rather than debris
Spoilers Things that grind my gears about S3
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Because the ships sent through the trans warp conduit got destroyed? The couriers didn't share it's location with the Feds? Those Amazing pilots weren't nearby? The radiation around Verubin prevented them?
Maybe, it just feels like lazy writing to me. The plot needed Book and Burnham to get back to Federation HQ in five minutes, enter trans warp conduit. Then the viewers are left to speculate on how exactly it all makes sense.
Exactly.
Debris, even in TW conduits could be easily cleaned up with self-replicating bots with tractor beams and replicators... SF could send 1 ship to a TW conduit, release a few of these automated TW probes, and have them employ tractor beams to move them away or simply chew through them to make more of themselves so they can travel the TW conduits and just clean them up.
Its actually a really simple thing to do with 24th century level of technology... it would be proverbially 'basic' in the 32nd century.
I love speculating. Been doing that since TOS!
What are you even doing in these forums with this attitude?!
just because it’s fictional doesn’t mean it shouldn’t try to make sense.
he did the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs with that ship.
yup.
We speculate when a blue light is suddenly green and have to to make work somehow.
Transwarp conduits were foreshadowed. So I can’t call it lazy.
I do too, and I'm totally fine with the writers thinking things through but maybe not spelling it out on screen and we are left to speculate. I do find it annoying when I get the sense the writing is just plain lazy and we are left to speculate because of it.
See, I would love to say that I get a sense of lazy writing, but I guess I don't have that sense. The one that I can think of was from a sitcom that I enjoyed and they utilized some tropes for cheap drama. But in Trek? I guess if it is truly lazy then I'm out and don't bother with the episode.
Other than that, it is fair game to speculate on, and what the writers did or did not do means jack
to my speculations. The writers are not here to defend themselves so I feel no reason to berate them for not thinking the way I think.Mileage will vary, etc.
All the dots were laid out and connected, so I can't call it lazy
- Book is a badass pilot
- Book is a Courier and knows all the shortcuts
- Transwarp corridors are dangerous to use and are mostly avoided
- The Verubin Nebula is full of radiation and unstable magnetic fields so it is a hazard making navigation and communication difficult.
- The last ship in the area disappeared with out trace.
The warp core dump and jump, comes so very close to making sense. It's a perfect plan if they have Stammets. Blowing themselves up is also a fine plan if they can't escape. The boneheaded move was not realizing that it might take their untried navigator more than a few seconds to get them out of there. Ticking clocks don't have the same effect when the characters put themselves in the predicament via poor planning. The smart move would have been to release the core with power cables still attached and then when they jump away it severs the cables and the core blows.
I'm not sure if this unforced error is better or worse for Burnham's character. It's evidence she's not perfect, but her plan also manages to succeed anyway despite a potentially fatal oversight.
I'm not sure if this unforced error is better or worse for Burnham's character. It's evidence she's not perfect, but her plan also manages to succeed anyway despite a potentially fatal oversight.
I don't think it was an oversight. It was a win-win for them.
It just seems odd to me that the Federation wouldn't have taken more of an interest in the transwarp corridors right next to their HQ given how dire a picture they painted with the burn limiting warp travel. So the nebula is minutes away from Fed HQ, people in Starfleet knew that the Kelpian ship was in that nebula investigating a dilitium nursery and there was a distress call coming out of the planet for 100 years that leads you directly to said planet. And nobody thought it was worth a look? It makes more sense if the nebula was really far away but it wasn't thanks to the trans warp corridor, so yeah I do think it was lazy writing that undermined a central premise to the season.
It wasn't worth the resources. Starfleet was afraid to expend too many resources when they had already lost so much.
Maybe, perhaps a testament to the perils of going into survival mode and abandoning exploration. Still seems weird to me though. Even in survival mode I still think they would have taken an interest in those trans warp corridors and would still have been looking for more dilitium.
But that's what I mean by lazy writing. They didn't need to introduce the trans warp corridors at all, it wasn't integral to the plot. Their sole purpose was to get Book and Burnham from the nebula to Federation HQ in the last episode, that could have easily happened another way.
I forget, did Starfleet know it was there? I know Book did but I think he only recently found out.
They didn't even know about the distress call because it was distorted. Terra Firma part one is the first time they hear it.
The transwarp conduits fix some older problems retoractively as well.. like how the at-best Warp 1'ish SS Valiant somehow got to the edge of the galaxy. V'ger befell a similar fate. Ares IV did not hit a transwarp conduit, but the graviton ellipse did eventually send it to the other side of the galaxy. And of course transwarp conduits are used by Borg who seem to understand them better. The point being, it was already a well established travel method, and it was even mentioned, I think in the first or second episode of season 3. The galaxy barely has any fuel left. They'd be desperate enough to try methods that until then had been considered to risky to bother with.
That's exactly the point. Fear keeps them from trying, from going forward, from reaching out. I keep reading "Oh, they should do this, oh they should do that" as if it is just a logical thought process completely unhindered by any sort of emotional ideas. Which, if that is a person's point of view fair enough. But, many humans, and other beings, have emotions and make decisions based upon them; "once bitten twice shy," as the saying goes. So, it isn't lazy writing to say that the Federation splinters and is worried to utilize other technology because they don't know. So, keeping it status quo is their best hope to survive. And that informs their decisions.
No, it's not logical, it's not rational. It is deeply emotional and that is where many struggle to make decisions. I applaud those who haven't faced crippling depression and anxiety. But, to think that leaders like Vance wouldn't be struggling with such things misunderstands a lot of human nature.
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