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Spoilers Things that grind my gears about S3

I continue to wish that the writers and producers of modern Trek would just write THEIR fucking story and vision, and block all the other noise out.

“Star Trek by Checkbox” has been going on since the production of Star Trek Generations, and it just hasn’t worked as well, whether it’s writers trying to appease the fans, studio, or both. Just tell a frigging story and to hell with the fans.

Nick Meyer and Harve Bennett were the last two key production guys who really understood that it seems....and that was a LONG time ago.

I broadly agree with this - particularly because Kurtzman's plan now is to have a large number of short-season Treks running more or less concurrently, which means you have a vast array of storytelling options that can be experimented with. Hell, Trek can be bolder than ever. Don't like one Trek - another one will come along more to their liking.

I think Discovery in particular is a poor choice for this though because it's absolutely not really something bounded by a creative vision. It hasn't been since they shitcanned Bryan Fuller. He was the one with the original, creative, vision for Star Trek (though the execution was apparently marred by his coke binge, mental health issues, or whatever the hell else was going on in his life that caused him to self-destruct professionally). Once he left, CBS just wanted "moar Trek" and they passed it on to people who - even if they might have liked the franchise - didn't create the original vision of the show. Indeed, if it wasn't a valuable franchise like Star Trek, they assuredly would have just plain up canceled Discovery given a single episode had yet to be filmed. Discovery began shifting from that point onward from an artistic vision to a product. Which is why it isn't surprising that as time has gone on it's gotten more eager to please and played it safe.
 
I broadly agree with this - particularly because Kurtzman's plan now is to have a large number of short-season Treks running more or less concurrently, which means you have a vast array of storytelling options that can be experimented with. Hell, Trek can be bolder than ever. Don't like one Trek - another one will come along more to their liking.

I think Discovery in particular is a poor choice for this though because it's absolutely not really something bounded by a creative vision. It hasn't been since they shitcanned Bryan Fuller. He was the one with the original, creative, vision for Star Trek (though the execution was apparently marred by his coke binge, mental health issues, or whatever the hell else was going on in his life that caused him to self-destruct professionally). Once he left, CBS just wanted "moar Trek" and they passed it on to people who - even if they might have liked the franchise - didn't create the original vision of the show. Indeed, if it wasn't a valuable franchise like Star Trek, they assuredly would have just plain up canceled Discovery given a single episode had yet to be filmed. Discovery began shifting from that point onward from an artistic vision to a product. Which is why it isn't surprising that as time has gone on it's gotten more eager to please and played it safe.

I didn’t know Fuller had those issues. Wow.

I’m not a fan, and I was certainly irritated with his departure from Star Trek before the thing even got off the ground, but I didn’t know drugs and mental health challenges were at play. That’s a bummer.
 
Nick Meyer and Harve Bennett were the last two key production guys who really understood that it seems....and that was a LONG time ago.
Yet Gene Roddenberry himself disagreed.
Discovery began shifting from that point onward from an artistic vision to a product. Which is why it isn't surprising that as time has gone on it's gotten more eager to please and played it safe.
Trek's been a product playing it safe since TNG started if not TOS season 3. It's a franchise that CBS sees as a cash cow, no different from any other.
Watch Chaos on the Bridge, you'll see Disco's development is roughly on par with the clusterfuck that was TNG's.
 
TOS Season 3 was playing it safe? Trek isn’t Trek since TOS Season 2, then? Please explain why. I’m legitimately curious as well as incredulous.
 
I didn’t know Fuller had those issues. Wow.

I’m not a fan, and I was certainly irritated with his departure from Star Trek before the thing even got off the ground, but I didn’t know drugs and mental health challenges were at play. That’s a bummer.

I mean, I've heard nothing but rumors regarding Fuller. But he was fired from American Gods in the same year over "budget disputes." He then left the Amazing Stories series when it was still in pre-production. And he's done literally no work in Hollywood since - nothing (not even scriptwriting). This is a pretty spectacular professional meltdown for someone who was a fairly accomplished showrunner. If it was just Discovery it could have been some unique dispute with a studio, but three certainly suggests Fuller himself had the problem - that something very bad happened which made him unable to do his job any longer.
 
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I think there might've been outrage over "The First Interracial Kiss" in "Plato's Stepchildren" during TOS's third season. It also could've been an Urban Legend but, based on the episode coming out in 1968, there might've been some degree of truth to it.
 
I think there might've been outrage over "The First Interracial Kiss" in "Plato's Stepchildren" during TOS's third season. It also could've been an Urban Legend but, based on the episode coming out in 1968, there might've been some degree of truth to it.

Are we sure it's the first one. There seems to be some controversy about this.
 
from what I gather it was not *really* the first, but it was still pretty daring, especially for a show that was supposed to be for the whole family.
I think all shows were for the "whole family" back then. Though Trek was pitched as an adult SF show in the same way Gunsmoke and Bonanza were adult Western. So you might find more adult themes in it's stories.
 
he didn’t say at impulse...In fact I had my own canon theory about *warp* maneuverability that promptly went out of the window once it was shown they reattach at warp.

Hm... you are correct that Saru never mentioned 'at impulse'... but given what we do know of Warp drive, its likely he may have meant under sublight speed - and EXACTLY because the nacelles do retract when the ship goes to Warp or uses the Spore Drive.

they also have WiFi *matter* transfer...Strictly speaking there is no compelling reason any longer for nacelles -or any part of the ship!- to be attached sat any moment: after a thousand years one might expect the transporter and tractor beams to be even MORE reliable than conduits and physical structures.

We've seen 32nd century SF ships without nacelles, so its entirely possible that nacelles as such are no longer needed.
Its possible the designs in the fleet that DO have the nacelles are just previous 'legacy' ships from the 27th or 28th century (or early 29th century) and just decided to upgrade them continuously to extend their lifespans.

I also mentioned before that its possible that wifi power and matter transfer would have ended up being MORE reliable than physical structures after nearly 1000 years of advancement (in fact, they'd likely even be WAY beyond those things by then).

I mean, if SF is confident enough to use holographic type hull meshed with neutronium and organic alloys, its quite possible that energy based technology such as transporters, and tractor beams WOULD be more reliable than physical ones. Heck, we've seen that tractor beams replaced the grappler hooks within 100 years on Starfleet ships (possibly as soon as the first Federation Starfleet ships were produced as a result of all 4 species cooperating... but in that period, they may have still used the grappler hooks AND tractor beams together before phasing out the grappler system entirely).
 
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Below is a list of things that "grind my gears" about S3.

1. Detached Warp Nacelles
Dumbest idea in history.

2. Earth becoming isolationist.
The most unTrek idea in the history of Trek, made worse by the fact that it wasn't rectified by the end of the year.

3. Blinking breaking holograms
A flaw from the 23rd century still exists nearly a millennium later? Why didn't Pulaski blink at Moriarty??

4. "It's made of our shit"
No it's not, it's energy converted into matter.

5. The new Turbolift "shafts"
They make literally no sense, what they had before was fine and actually made sense, why change it?

6. The reason for the Burn.
So anticlimatic.

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Not a bad season otherwise, season 2 is still the best one though.

Thoughts?

3. it seem holograms have take a backwards step, it felt like after Phontons be free then holograms would be regarded as life. But yes they just seem broken all the time or not quite working properly
 
3. it seem holograms have take a backwards step, it felt like after Phontons be free then holograms would be regarded as life. But yes they just seem broken all the time or not quite working properly
Bowtie Holo seemed fine.
 
They should all ave portable emitters by then... Maybe there's a planet of holograms somewhere... A demon class planet where organics can't go unless they're wearing super-EV- suits.
 
3. it seem holograms have take a backwards step, it felt like after Phontons be free then holograms would be regarded as life. But yes they just seem broken all the time or not quite working properly

We have seen very little of the 32nd century, but its possible that 'Photons be free' and Doctor's efforts for holographic rights may have tipped the scales and Starfleet had to impose limits on how they design new holograms. Either to intentionally AVOID making sentient holograms, or if sentient holos are made, then full rights ARE granted to them.

But yes, holograms did seem to take a step backward a bit with different voices (and that blinking disability - but to be fair, that may have been intentional).
Though its also possible the voices and overall behavior simulations are intentional so that SF officers know they are dealing with holograms (or at least that they were dealing with non sentient ones).
Still, as their programming became more advanced, SF officers would probably need to adjust their attitudes a bit and extend common courtesy when interacting with computers and holograms 'just in case'.
 
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