In fairness, making one of TOS' Klingons look human involved a shave and staying out of the sun for a few weeks.
Things that don't add up:
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Why didn't he just eat Saru?
Thing is, the tells that gave Darvin away while being scanned with a tricorder were his heartbeat and body temperature. Tyler was subjected to full scans in Disco's sickbay at least three times before Culber even noticed anything that warranted further investigation. How the hell does one of the more advanced shipboard medical computers in Starfleet fail to notice someone's heartbeat and body temperature are wrong three times?
Tyler (IE Voq) was "modified" by better doctors (IE butchers) than Darvin.
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I've always suspected that the Tyler we see in DSC is actually the real, human version, and they just had Voq's mind transferred into the human body. And when L'Rell described the (gruesome) medical procedure they supposedly used, she was just laying it on thick with the B.S., to scare the humans.
Different levels of subterfuge for different jobs. Infiltrating the offices of some farming bureaucrat in peacetime wouldn't warrant much surgery, but getting one's agent onto the most closely guarded war secret of Starfleet in the middle of a conflict requires more of that than even the average 24th century deep penetration adventure.
Might be L'Rell's folks grafted Voq's brain into Tyler's head or something. Might be personality cannot be stored within a brain alone, and the whole nervous system of the Torchbearer (and much of his endocrine one, too) was inserted, requiring the extensive cutting open. And camouflaging that as mere Klingon torture took even more cutting...
How did Lorca get so much cool stuff? Well, probably by asking. The very fact that he obtained the Super Secret Spore Ship puts the horse properly before that particular wagon: he was a man of means first and foremost. Possibly because he was sleeping with an Admiral who herself was deep into black ops.
Which incidentally jibes well with the early black badges. This would be Cornwell's pet project, and her S31 minions would be guarding it until she could be sure Lorca was handling it competently.
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Might be L'Rell's folks grafted Voq's brain into Tyler's head or something. Might be personality cannot be stored within a brain alone, and the whole nervous system of the Torchbearer (and much of his endocrine one, too) was inserted, requiring the extensive cutting open. And camouflaging that as mere Klingon torture took even more cutting...
How did Lorca get so much cool stuff? Well, probably by asking. The very fact that he obtained the Super Secret Spore Ship puts the horse properly before that particular wagon: he was a man of means first and foremost. Possibly because he was sleeping with an Admiral who herself was deep into black ops.
Which incidentally jibes well with the early black badges. This would be Cornwell's pet project, and her S31 minions would be guarding it until she could be sure Lorca was handling it competently.
Timo Saloniemi
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I've always suspected that the Tyler we see in DSC is actually the real, human version, and they just had Voq's mind transferred into the human body. And when L'Rell described the (gruesome) medical procedure they supposedly used, she was just laying it on thick with the B.S., to scare the humans.
But Tyler keeps flashing on gory images!
Plus Culber found physical evidence of that (which cost him his life).
I have been re-watching the back half of the season with my wife and I noticed a few things the second time around that I didn't understand.
- in the episode about Airiam, Tilly found Micheals brain scan at the end in Airiams memories along with a diagram of the red angel; where did that data come from ? we are told earlier that Airiam had transferred all of her personal memories to Discovery in order to store the probe data ; So the probe had these scans ? did this get a follow up that I missed ?
- We find out Mikes mom pushed the super probe into Discovery's path for 'reasons' that are part of a plan to prevent the Control getting the data ; but the probe was hours away from self destruct. Why not push the probe to ANY empty area of space and let it self destruct Without having transferred its data to Discovery; why not push it into a star, or a blackhole
- in the episode about Airiam, Tilly found Micheals brain scan at the end in Airiams memories along with a diagram of the red angel; where did that data come from ? we are told earlier that Airiam had transferred all of her personal memories to Discovery in order to store the probe data ; So the probe had these scans ? did this get a follow up that I missed ?
- We find out Mikes mom pushed the super probe into Discovery's path for 'reasons' that are part of a plan to prevent the Control getting the data ; but the probe was hours away from self destruct. Why not push the probe to ANY empty area of space and let it self destruct Without having transferred its data to Discovery; why not push it into a star, or a blackhole
I may have missed it but...
How exactly is Section 31 operating openly in this timeframe and no one heard of it in DS9 time frame?
I can understand if they thought it was disbanded and defunct but its a recognized branch of Starfleet here and unknown in the future?
How exactly is Section 31 operating openly in this timeframe and no one heard of it in DS9 time frame?
I can understand if they thought it was disbanded and defunct but its a recognized branch of Starfleet here and unknown in the future?
Obviously at some point Starfleet changes the official record regarding Section 31. That's how Kurtzman fixes Canon, after all.
Lorca was probably very close to his Mirror universe counterpart. He had to have some kind of record as a war mastermind for Starfleet to give him Discovery and allow him to run it however he saw fit.
That still wouldn't explain where all the stuff in his mancave came from. Even if Prime Lorca had a thing for collecting Gorn skeletons and dissected Horta, presumably anything he had would have been with him on the Buran and would be lost with the ship, meaning Mirror Lorca would have to restart the collection when he took command of Disco.
They might now be (officially) disavowed and disbanded (plus Control killed a bunch of its operatives) but kept running in the background as a total black ops as opposed to more a more publicly known type of organisation. Think a "Men in Black" type of deal vs the CIA. And remember, there's a hundred years between Disco and DS9. An organisation that officially stopped existing a century ago and doesn't have a paper trail wouldn't be something widely known by people.
Maybe that was the overflow from regular Lorca’s collection? Stuff left in storage on Earth?
Well, Landry was quite close to Lorca in both universes and she never suspected a thing. Note that Mirror Landry was only slightly nastier than her counterpart.
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