The worst of the Villians
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For me it's hard to tell if she decided to do the right thing in that scene, or if she just wanted to stick it to Dukat.
... or to the Wraiths (who had used her).
But remember that she called Sisko "Emissary" in that last scene. As if she finally recognized him as the true emissary, something she always has had a hard time to admit to.
You know, the same thing occurred to me right after I wrote that. I have to agree.
Now that would have been glorious! 
Louise Fletcher was wonderful as Winn. She was such a sly person, totally out for herself, and it was compulsive viewing. The Female Shapeshifter is also deliciously evil, announcing the genocide of the Cardassians with a calm rationale.
Gul Dukat was probably the best overall. He was basically Hitler, but he always seemed (or wanted to come across as) quite likeable.
Louise Fletcher was wonderful as Winn. She was such a sly person, totally out for herself, and it was compulsive viewing. The Female Shapeshifter is also deliciously evil, announcing the genocide of the Cardassians with a calm rationale.
Gul Dukat was probably the best overall. He was basically Hitler, but he always seemed (or wanted to come across as) quite likeable.
But those are arguably the best villains. If you're asking for the worst to me that would be an ineffective one, one that you have a hard time taking seriously as a villain. Martok's son, for example, was a poor excuse for a villain and so was the Vorta in Rocks And Shoals and even worse was the one played by Iggy Pop!!!
Was he really Hitler? I read a few school books on Hitler when I was young, and I know that he (obviously) hated the Jews and that he was a frustrated Art student. He was a charismatic speaker and a ruthless authoritarian. Dukat was brutal toward the Bajorans but my understanding was that he and the Cardassian never wanted to eliminate them from the universe. Nor were there Bajoran concentration camps where the Bajarans were used in horrific experiments. On the contrary Dukat wanted their admiration. The Cardassians wanted to exploit Bajor and treat the Bajorans as slave labour or second class citizens. When they rebelled that's when the Cardassians started to kill mass numbers. The Nazis threatened to take down the entire world while the Cardassians just wanted to subjugate their corner of the galaxy. I don't know if the Nazis are the best analogy for the Cardassians.
Hitler is scary. Dukat may be a good drinking buddy along as you flatter him and you don't get in the way of his Alpha Quadrant/ Pah-Wraith ambitions!
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Dukat will kill you without hesitation if it serves his interest. Hell, he almost killed his own daughter! Then he left her to die on the station. But later he lost his mind when she was killed by Damar! Looks like what upset him is that he wasn't the one who did the killing.
Dukat is definitely a psychopath. I don't know how much you can call that 'Mental illness', I don't agree with the current tendency to ascribe mental illness to any fictional person who likes hurting people. It's hard to say whether or not Winn was a psychopath, I think she was not. So which is 'more evil', the person who is inherently evil or the person who chose to be?
I certainly don't like the current trend to turn all immoral behavior into mental illness. It's like a secular version of ascribing any behavior outside social norms to being possessed by the devil. Mental illness is mental illness, moral choices are moral choices, and bad moral choices aren't mental illness.
I certainly don't like the current trend to turn all immoral behavior into mental illness. It's like a secular version of ascribing any behavior outside social norms to being possessed by the devil. Mental illness is mental illness, moral choices are moral choices, and bad moral choices aren't mental illness.
I should have "turned their planet into a graveyard the likes of which the galaxy has never seen!" Waltz, season 6.
He never ceases to be off the deep end from that point on.
Was he really Hitler? I read a few school books on Hitler when I was young, and I know that he (obviously) hated the Jews and that he was a frustrated Art student. He was a charismatic speaker and a ruthless authoritarian. Dukat was brutal toward the Bajorans but my understanding was that he and the Cardassian never wanted to eliminate them from the universe. Nor were there Bajoran concentration camps where the Bajarans were used in horrific experiments. On the contrary Dukat wanted their admiration. The Cardassians wanted to exploit Bajor and treat the Bajorans as slave labour or second class citizens. When they rebelled that's when the Cardassians started to kill mass numbers. The Nazis threatened to take down the entire world while the Cardassians just wanted to subjugate their corner of the galaxy. I don't know if the Nazis are the best analogy for the Cardassians.
Hitler is scary. Dukat may be a good drinking buddy along as you flatter him and you don't get in the way of his Alpha Quadrant/ Pah-Wraith ambitions!
During the occupation, the infamous Cardassian doctor Crell Moset performed experiments on Bajorans, causing the deaths of thousands at his facility.
For real-world parallels, I think the Cardassian occupation was more akin to Imperial Japan's colonial activities in Asia. But for some reason, discussions of atrocities related to World War II tend to automatically go to Europe and Hitler and disregard the Pacific Theater.
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