The Wizards versus the "Muggles"

[RoJoHen]

Magneto is evil when he needs to be, but he also has a good heart. Sounds like Snape to me.

 

[DarthTom]

Magneto is evil when he needs to be, but he also has a good heart. Sounds like Snape to me.

The persecuted underclass of super humans and wizards. Someone is always trying to add themselves to the ranks of the 'minority class.'

Regarding teleporting - as we've seen in Trek there seems to be a group of people who either dislike that form of travel or simply prefer for enjoyment's sake take more archaic forms of travel.

Even Picard who was not opposed to teleportation as we say in Trek X wanted to get out on 4 wheels on occasion.

 

[Anwar]

Sometimes he has a good heart, other times he's utterly ruthless and perfectly willing to kill fellow mutants to achieve his ends.

 

[Checkmate]

Magneto is evil when he needs to be, but he also has a good heart. Sounds like Snape to me.

Except Snape feigned being evil for the greater good, and only did what he did to uphold that ruse. Magneto was evil regardless of his goals, and only appeared kind because of that. He was and is a genocidal maniac.

At most, Snape was petty and vengeful due to the nature of his early life. Hating someone and taking it out in minor ways doesn't make you evil. Commiting genocide, however, is the epitome of the word.

 

[RoJoHen]

Good lord, you people are nitpicky.

 

[DarthTom]

Good lord, you people are nitpicky.

Please tell me that this isn't the first time you've realized that many Trek fans can be anal as shit?

 

[RoJoHen]

Not the first time, but it still bothers me. People take this shit way too seriously.

 

[DarthTom]

Not the first time, but it still bothers me. People take this shit way too seriously.

No argument here. My intent was to have some fun with the Potter series since the movie is out now and take the series from what I perceive as the next logical extension of 'Wizardry," which is that the wizards being in some sort of conflict with the 'muggles.'

 

[Checkmate]

Not the first time, but it still bothers me. People take this shit way too seriously.

Yes, you do.

As made evident by you getting so upset about people having a different opinion than you.

 

[RoJoHen]

I guarantee you I am not even the slightest bit upset.

I made a random jokey comment about Snape and Magneto. You're the one who decided to make it an argument.

 

[Checkmate]

And yet here you are whining and bitching. Go figure.

 

[Stevil2001]

Uh, no, the Wizarding community does whatever it wants and runs roughshed over the legitimate government of the United Kingdom. Hell, they were importing dangerous foreign dragons onto British soil without even getting HM Government's permission -- they just gave the Prime Minister a cursory notice that it was happening. It's more like they think they're above Muggle law, period.

Are there UK laws governing the import of dragons?

Had the series ended with a revolutionary upending of the established paradigm, I would have loved it. It would have addressed the fundamental bigotries behind all other bigotries in the series.

Neat idea, but I think it disrupts the fundamental children's fantasy paradigm too much-- it makes it impossible for any kid to imagine that one day he is gonna get that letter from Hogwarts.

 

[DimesDan]

He was. But that's still infiltration.

Not if the PM knows you're coming. The MoM are in direct communications with the normal government. It was mentioned specifically in Book 3.

It seems the Wizarding community is given some autonomy much like Scotland and Wales or Native American tribes in the US.

Uh, no, the Wizarding community does whatever it wants and runs roughshed over the legitimate government of the United Kingdom. Hell, they were importing dangerous foreign dragons onto British soil without even getting HM Government's permission -- they just gave the Prime Minister a cursory notice that it was happening. It's more like they think they're above Muggle law, period.

One of my big disappointments in the Harry Potter series was that it did not end with Harry fundamentally reversing the entire paradigm of Wizarding politics by revealing the existence of Wizards and magic to the Muggle world. That self-segregation, that arrogance and belief in their own superiority over Muggles, was ultimately the source of a lot of the ideologies that led to such extreme political instability in the Wizarding world (the rise of the Death Eaters and Grendelwald before them, etc.). Had the series ended with a revolutionary upending of the established paradigm, I would have loved it. It would have addressed the fundamental bigotries behind all other bigotries in the series.

I am so very glad that Joanne didn't do what you suggested. But given your political viewpoints and your unending ability for getting on your high horse, it's not surprising really you wanted that to happen.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

I would think the wizard's magic has about ten times the power of anything the muggles can create. The wizard's could probably turn a tank into a dog.

Voldermort could probably deflect bullets aswell.

Not according to Potter Puppet Pals.

 

[elaithin]

I'm surprised it's gone nine pages without anyone bringing it up, but the Dresden Files books by Jim Butcher tackle this exact issue.

Essentially, the supernatural world tries to avoid attracting the attention of mortal authorities in order to avoid another acquisition. Regular old humans, because there's so freaking many of them, are repeatedly referred to as the 'nuclear weapons' of the supernatural world.

And this is paired off by the fact - and I'm paraphrasing Harry Dresden's explanations from the books - is that people don't WANT to know that anything weird is out there. Even if they see things, they try to rationalize them away, convince themselves that they didn't see what they saw. After all, everyone knows magic and monsters aren't real. You'd have to be crazy to think otherwise.

That's the rationale in those books at least. I think I always subconsciously applied it to the Harry Potter books, too.

 

[RoJoHen]

And yet here you are whining and bitching. Go figure.

Do you even know the meanings of the words you use?

 

[Python Trek]

I remember reading somewhere that nearly as many Americans died in traffic accidents the week of 9/11 as died in the Towers and the Pentagon. IMO, it should be a banner headline every day: "A Bunch of People Died Today for Absolutely No Damn Reason".

What would you prefer, we get rid of cars completely?

I was talking about taking driving safety more seriously, Captain Sarcasm. But thanks for playing.

 

[Python Trek]

Good lord, you people are nitpicky.

Please tell me that this isn't the first time you've realized that many Trek fans can be anal as shit?

Magneto has killed thousands. He's a terrorist. Someone says he's a nice guy, and we correct them, so we're "anal". Yeah, right.

 

[RoJoHen]

Good lord, you people are nitpicky.

Please tell me that this isn't the first time you've realized that many Trek fans can be anal as shit?

Magneto has killed thousands. He's a terrorist. Someone says he's a nice guy, and we correct them, so we're "anal". Yeah, right.

It really depends on which version of Magneto we're talking about. I was talking about the one from the 90s FOX cartoon.

 

[Sci]

Not if the PM knows you're coming. The MoM are in direct communications with the normal government. It was mentioned specifically in Book 3.

It seems the Wizarding community is given some autonomy much like Scotland and Wales or Native American tribes in the US.

Uh, no, the Wizarding community does whatever it wants and runs roughshed over the legitimate government of the United Kingdom. Hell, they were importing dangerous foreign dragons onto British soil without even getting HM Government's permission -- they just gave the Prime Minister a cursory notice that it was happening. It's more like they think they're above Muggle law, period.

One of my big disappointments in the Harry Potter series was that it did not end with Harry fundamentally reversing the entire paradigm of Wizarding politics by revealing the existence of Wizards and magic to the Muggle world. That self-segregation, that arrogance and belief in their own superiority over Muggles, was ultimately the source of a lot of the ideologies that led to such extreme political instability in the Wizarding world (the rise of the Death Eaters and Grendelwald before them, etc.). Had the series ended with a revolutionary upending of the established paradigm, I would have loved it. It would have addressed the fundamental bigotries behind all other bigotries in the series.

I am so very glad that Joanne didn't do what you suggested. But given your political viewpoints and your unending ability for getting on your high horse, it's not surprising really you wanted that to happen.

*bows*

Happy to provide you with yet another excuse to whine about how irritating you find me.