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The Walking Dead Season 6 Discussion

What does Morgan have on his hip, right hand side, exactly where a right handed person might carry a firearm ?
First time watching the episode I didn't spot it until the end when he's passing Carol on the road. I assumed it was a gun and I assumed it was another indication of him moving past his 'all life is sacred' mantra; however upon re watching the episode, he appears to be wearing what ever it is all episode. You can see it when Carol is leading him as a prisoner.

I've been looking all over for screen shots to help me figure out what this is , I didn't find any screenshots but I stumbled across something interesting, according to the official AMC full recap..
http://www.amc.com/shows/the-walking-dead/season-6/episode-02-jss

Morgan did not kill the Alpha wolf guy, just knocked him out. Combine that with the fact that I now don't think he had a gun on, maybe he still is all zen on life. I put this in spoiler tags in case folks only watch the show,I feel the episode left if vague as to whether or not the guy died

The reason why you will not, is due to a certain segment of the WD fans exhibiting an extreme level of hate for the Carol character, when she is surrounded by characters responsible for worse since season 1. She is one of the few characters not pulled by the nose, whether it is lust, paranoia or bad decision making pulling the nose.

It's interesting to see how strongly folks feel about her for sure, I didn't agree with her killing those two folks, but I see it more as misguided not malicious. Carol is one of my favourite characters but then, so is Rick :) I do follow the comic books and I forgive what they did to the Andrea character because of how fantastic Carol turned out :D


cheers
 
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Okay, I just rewatched this episode. My conclusion is that some Big Bang Theory writer should read this conversation for material. It is the height of the minutiae debates that we love.

As for taking a side? I can see both viewpoints.
 
The funny thing is that I like the Carol character. Doesn't make me blind to see that she made a mistake though.
 
theenglish is correct that both approaches have validity. The situation was basically constructed to emphasize the difference between Zen Morgan and Ninja Carol.
 
Seriously dude, what show have you been watching? All of that is stuff they should be doing anyway. Again, that's the whole point. Had they listened to Rick initially, they would have been more prepared but it still might not have mattered because sometimes you just won't be able to deal with what comes. You can only be ready for something.

Again, stuff that they should be doing anyway. That's. The. Point.

You're not getting it. They should be prepared for everything because they cannot know what to expect. The Wolves are just the first and once they're gone there will be another group to deal with. They can't know what the specific threat will be though. They just have to be aware that it's coming.

You can't cater for each threat. It's just not possible. Your only realistic option is to be as prepared as possible. Train people to shoot, fight, watch and be ready (fortify those flimsy walls for a start).

Train them how? It's to late to train them. That's the whole point! You cannot train them after its happened. You can only train them to be capable of dealing with the reality of what's out there as effectively as possible when it comes. If 200 of them come with guns, how can you train for that? You can't. If a thousand of them with machetes turn up, how do you train for that?

The idea that you train for specific attacks is ludicrous. Once the Wolves are dealt with, the next threat will be on its way. You can only train to be ready for something; not something specific. That's why knowing what they're going to do simply doesn't help you. Does knowing that they're coming from the west with 30 men change the fact that the residents are hopeless fighters, terrible shooters, Molly-coddled fools etc etc.

Step one was making the resident understand that... sooner or later, people would be coming. Doesn't matter where, how or why. It only matters that you understand... they are coming.

Sorry, but you're the one not getting it. Yes, in an ideal world they SHOULD have already done all those things. They didn't.

Now, they know an attack is imminent and they likely have a limited amount of time to prepare for it. That means PRIORITIZING preparations if at all possible (IE, if you have decent information about what's coming right now). If you can't get that information, then you can't get it. Tough luck, oh well. But to not even try to get that information when the opportunity is presented on a silver platter is dumb.

Interesting debate around Carol's actions regarding Morgan's prisoner , something I don't think I've seen mentioned is that her absolutely saved lives during the immediate attack. I agree with the folks saying this was not the time to try and take prisoners, the attack is ongoing, the prisoner is NOT secure/subdued/no-longer-a-threat. So long as his friend are actively attacking he could easily be freed and re-join the attack, the only way to counter act that risk would be to station a competent guard; our only available guard would have been Morgan.

Think about what Morgan did AFTER Carol shot that guy, he chased off the group of five, as well as confronted the Alpha wolf in the house. If he had been busy guarding the prisoner , he could not have done wither of those things.

Now, we could assume all six of those wolves were on the cusp of a change of heart, and even if Morgan had not stopped them, they would not have hurt anyone else; I think it's much more reasonable to assume had he not stopped them, more folks would have died and/or been captured.

I also think we got clear evidence in this episode that the characters are sharing important information with each other off screen. Father Gaberiel asked Carl if he (Carl) had heard what he(Father Gaberiel) had said about the group, to which Carl nodded.
With that in mind, I think it's safe to assume Carol knows about
- Morgan's encounter with the wolves,
- Noah's community with the 'Wolves Not Far' message and the zombie's with W's carved in their heads
- The Trap with the 'Wolves Not Far' message
- The zombies in the area with W's carved in their heads
- The lady tied to the tree and gutted with a W carved in her head.

The only Wolf related information we the audience saw that Carol could not know about was the killing of red poncho guy and resetting their trap.

One last thought I had, I am really not against gathering information, I just disagreed with the timing. For all the heat Carol is taking, I have not seen a single criticism of Morgan killing the last guy when he could have easily subdued him. That would have been a much better time to consider it, of course Morgan had no way of knowing this was the last attacker so I think he made the right call.

Well, he was already tied up and knocking the dude unconscious and dragging him under a bush would take a grand total of 30 seconds of Morgan's time. Not a long-term solution, obviously, but it was clearly not a long-term situation either. One way or the other, everything would've been done before the guy woke up.

As for the last guy, I can't remember the scene very well - I was under the impression that Morgan couldn't easily subdue him, he seemed more resilient, etc. I'm also not 100% sure he's actually dead, but I'm guessing that probably is the case. If Morgan could've subdued him also, then, yes, he was just as dumb as Carol in that moment.

Preparing to repel an army of 1000 poorly trained wolves armed with knives is not the same as preparing to repel an army of 50 well trained wolves with guns.


Like hell it isn't. If you're behind a fortification (a wall), have the high ground (a tower) and guns of your own, the defense is exactly the same. Put people with guns on the wall-top and in the tower and walk the greatest volume of fire you can generate up the enemy's path of advance.

You guys have got to stop acting like this is some standing army which understands how all this ideally works. You spend all your time just putting as many alexandrians as possible on the walls (and - incidentally, they don't actually even have walls you can stand on) and 90% will not even see a small group of well trained attackers coming until they're over the wall.


But while the skilled people are taking that risk they have to create a bigger risk leaving behind a town full of people who know jack shit about what they're doing. That is not the time for some half-assed OSS mission.

Nobody ever said send everyone. And nobody ever said sending someone would even be the smartest thing, necessarily. The point is to interrogate the wolf and see what he says, then make further decisions about what is and isn't worth the risk. If he doesn't say anything worth confirming, then there's no point in sending anyone. If he does, then you have to decide how much it might be worth if it's true.

The people of the ASZ don't even have basic training in Walker World 101, and if you need them to participate in the town's defense you need that defense to be as basic as possible. The previous episode showed what happens when you devise a plan too complex for their tiny sheltered minds to follow. They panic, run and get killed. For a pure defense you don't need anything complex. Pass out the guns, get people as high up as possible and standby for the next attack. Need intelligence on which direction the bad guys will come from? You have a lookout tower. Finding out which direction the enemy is coming from is what they were made for! Get some people with half a brain and set up a proper watch!

Hooks is right. You intelligence wonks keep advocating this course of action just so the ASZ can make preparations they should have made friggin' ages ago. That is a huge waste of time and energy. That's not just closing the barn after the horse got free. That's like locking the barn after the horse is in the glue factory.

So because they've had one attack and know that another is likely to come (maybe tomorrow, but maybe next week, nobody knows) they should really just stop making anymore actual preparations and do nothing but watch the horizon?

That sounds like the absolute worst thing they could do.

And what kills me this wouldn't even be a debate if Carol hadn't been the one doing the killing. Up thread someone said no one has commented on the lives Carol saved with her actions, but the whole problem is it was Carol. If it had been anyone else the fact that lives were saved wouldn't need to be addressed. It would be obvious. But no, it was evil heartless Carol, who torched two side characters and killed a little girl and wanted to give more children knives and killin' lessons. Evil Evil Carol!

Who by the way, just helped save an entire fucking town.

Sorry, but I don't give a damn about who did it. It was a stupid decision, period.
 
As for the last guy, I can't remember the scene very well - I was under the impression that Morgan couldn't easily subdue him, he seemed more resilient, etc. I'm also not 100% sure he's actually dead, but I'm guessing that probably is the case. If Morgan could've subdued him also, then, yes, he was just as dumb as Carol in that moment.

The guy caught Morgan off-guard and there was a close-quarters battle where Morgan couldn't easily subude him. There's also probably a bit of an in-the-heat-of-the-moment rage factor there depending on what ever is going on with Morgan and why he's trying to maintain this "Zen" state over whatever was going on with him when we last saw him.

This wasn't the case with Carol who calmly, coolly, and collectedly walked up and shot a man who was prone, tied-up and nearly unconscious,

Morgan's kill was to an active threat, Carol's kill was towards a restrained prisoner.
 
This week's episode can't come fast enough. Not because I'm anxious for it, but to kill this ridiculous conversation. And move on to the next one, I suppose, but this has been a boring, thread-killing week...

They probably wouldn't have gotten much, but killing the hostage without even trying to ask him anything was stupid. Plenty of useless people that could have watched a tied-up hostage for 5 minutes. Next.
 
Sorry, but you're the one not getting it. Yes, in an ideal world they SHOULD have already done all those things. They didn't.

Now, they know an attack is imminent and they likely have a limited amount of time to prepare for it. That means PRIORITIZING preparations if at all possible (IE, if you have decent information about what's coming right now). If you can't get that information, then you can't get it. Tough luck, oh well. But to not even try to get that information when the opportunity is presented on a silver platter is dumb.

You're still not getting it. Attack is ALWAYS imminent. That's what Rick has been telling them. It's coming. The Wolves being the ones to attack on this occasion is utterly irrelevant. Again, nothing that they learn about the Wolves will compel them to do anything that they shouldn't already be doing. Nothing.

Let's make it simple. Assuming the captured Wolf wasn't spouting gibberish or... you know... just lying, let's say he tells you the (coherent) truth. There are 78 more of them in the woods and they intend to attack next week coming from the south. What does this information compel you to do that you shouldn't already be doing? Learning to shoot? learning to fight? Fortifying the wall? Better lookouts? More vigilance? What?

That's. The. Point.

Whatever information they might get doesn't have the slightest impact upon how they should react. Because how they react without that information is going to be identical. They're going to do exactly what they would have been doing with or WITHOUT that information.

The only benefit to any information they might get (assuming a frothing at the mouth lunatic can be trusted) would be based on going out to hunt them down, which would be a dumb move.

Their only sensible move is defence. And again, how they most effectively do that is entirely independent of any information they have about their attackers.
 
So, every defence is the same? LOL. Good luck with that. I got some football coaches that want to talk to you.

A little test, two different scenarios, both with the assumption that the information gained is true.

scenario 1. the prisoner told them that the wolve's next attack would be with a fleet of semi trucks to ram the fences. But that they are still getting the trucks together.

Scenario 2. the prisoner told you that the wolves were going to send in a walker herd to surround the compound. They have a herd they've been building like the one in the quarry. Large enough to starve out the alexandrians.


How does your "one defence fits all" deal with either of those situations being true?
 
How does your "one defence fits all" deal with either of those situations being true?

It doesn't. But it's all they have. They are not equipped to to do anything other than defend as effectively as possible.

If you believe scenario one then what can you possibly do in the short space of time to deal with trucks hitting the fence. Snipers? Don't have them. Trucks to block the fences? Don't have them, don't have the time to find them.

If you believe scenario two then what can you do to deal with a massive herd of walkers? Teach the Alexandrians to shoot? No time. Kill them one by one? Risky.

Again, the point is you are not in a position to defend for specifics. You neither have the man power nor the experience. This is why Carol simply doesn't see any benefit to acquiring information. It's worthless. They wil either be capable of dealing with what comes or they won't.

Oh and this is all based on the Wolf not being insane and not lying. Utterly pointless.

In the next episode, the guy Morgan hit might give them some information and (assuming they believe it) they might choose to react to it by behaving in a certain way. But the reason Carol doesn't care about that is because as far as she's concerned, that behaviour should be the norm. She's playing the good housewife specifically because she doesn't think these fools are willing to do what needs to be done. They still might not be willing.

These football coaches you mention. Are they coaching people who have no understanding of the game and have never played it before?
 
You're still not getting it. Attack is ALWAYS imminent. That's what Rick has been telling them. It's coming. The Wolves being the ones to attack on this occasion is utterly irrelevant. Again, nothing that they learn about the Wolves will compel them to do anything that they shouldn't already be doing. Nothing.

Rational assessment.

Let's make it simple. Assuming the captured Wolf wasn't spouting gibberish or... you know... just lying, let's say he tells you the (coherent) truth. There are 78 more of them in the woods and they intend to attack next week coming from the south. What does this information compel you to do that you shouldn't already be doing? Learning to shoot? learning to fight? Fortifying the wall? Better lookouts? More vigilance? What?

That's. The. Point.

Whatever information they might get doesn't have the slightest impact upon how they should react. Because how they react without that information is going to be identical. They're going to do exactly what they would have been doing with or WITHOUT that information.

The only benefit to any information they might get (assuming a frothing at the mouth lunatic can be trusted)

...which some--apparently--believe. Never mind that the Wolves have not uttered one, sensible thing since being introduced in season 5. Running off on some scatterbrained hunt of people (already displaying enough for a good profile).

would be based on going out to hunt them down, which would be a dumb move.

And again, how they most effectively do that is entirely independent of any information they have about their attackers.

This is the shocking thing about the "battle tactics" offered by some WD fans: the majority of the ASZ residents do not know how to fight. Aiden & Nicholas were worthless cowards in the field; Deanna just admitted she is clueless about fighting, and others proved it at the steel yard, when Abraham had to take on walkers while the rest acted on their first instinct of running away and leaving the injured behind.

That is not a group you sent to pursue hidden forces.

Moreover, the logical battle plan also does not thin out its few experienced members by sending them on some pointless hunt, which would only risk their lives--and ASZ would be more vulnerable than ever before.

Intense defense / vigilance is what ASZ never explored--now, they must adopt that, or die--just as Carol, Rick and Carl believed.
 
How does your "one defence fits all" deal with either of those situations being true?

It doesn't. But it's all they have. They are not equipped to to do anything other than defend as effectively as possible.

If you believe scenario one then what can you possibly do in the short space of time to deal with trucks hitting the fence. Snipers? Don't have them. Trucks to block the fences? Don't have them, don't have the time to find them.

If you believe scenario two then what can you do to deal with a massive herd of walkers? Teach the Alexandrians to shoot? No time. Kill them one by one? Risky.

Again, the point is you are not in a position to defend for specifics. You neither have the man power nor the experience. This is why Carol simply doesn't see any benefit to acquiring information. It's worthless. They wil either be capable of dealing with what comes or they won't.

Oh and this is all based on the Wolf not being insane and not lying. Utterly pointless.

In the next episode, the guy Morgan hit might give them some information and (assuming they believe it) they might choose to react to it by behaving in a certain way. But the reason Carol doesn't care about that is because as far as she's concerned, that behaviour should be the norm. She's playing the good housewife specifically because she doesn't think these fools are willing to do what needs to be done. They still might not be willing.

These football coaches you mention. Are they coaching people who have no understanding of the game and have never played it before?


So you don't see any value in sending a few of your experienced people out to maybe sabotage the trucks in scenario one before the wolves use them? Or in either scenario to send a couple of your experienced sniper types (like Carol) to maybe take down some of the wolves? Put them on the defensive or at least make them think twice about continuing to press these attacks?

And why do you keep hiding behind Carol in this argument? The issue isn't what she thinks is right and in character. We've already established that she was perfectly in character. The argument is whether it was a smart decision over all.

And yes, if you've ever watched kids teams of football, you know that some coaches have to work with noob players and teams. Your defense still depends on what the offense is doing.
 
Regardless of the situation and of what you should or should not be doing, information is always useful. It's better to know what you're up against, what to expect and what/when to expect it than to just "expect something" and then be blindsided on what it is and when it comes.

When I come up on an intersection with a stale green light I expect it to turn yellow so I cover my brake and prepare to either stop or go through the intersection depending on the distance I have. That's just good driving skills. But, if I have information that someone up there is going to make a left-turn on solid green without yielding, crossing in front of my lane of travel, then I now not only am doing something I should already be doing but I can also prepare and adjust my driving to account for the approaching asshole.

Now, instead of (in the former instance) having to slam on my brakes when something unexpected happens (the guy makes, effectively, an illegal turn) and having to rely on the timing, speeds, and stopping-distance to all be just right to prevent the collision I *know* something is going to happen and can adjust my driving further back and avoid the possibility all together.

The former maybe ends up in a collision if all of the variables don't work in my favor. The latter avoids a collision all together.

Yes, the Alexandrians should already be fortifying their walls, having more competent look outs and people with more competency with fire-arms; because there's always threats out there whether it be walkers or people. But in this instance they *know* there's a specific group of people out there doing harm that happened to raid their town when all of the more experienced people and men were away and for all they know this could be a regular occurrence, the opening salvo before a much larger attack, and on top of being prepared for anything they should now be prepared for anything AND for what the motives behind this group is. Was this just dumb luck? They happened across the info on the town and happened to arrive just when all of the men and capable and competent able-bodied adults where away? This was a fluke not likely to repeat?

They don't know. And they can't know because Carol killed the bound, unconscious -or easily made so- person who could potentially provide them the answers. There's little evidence the "Wolves" are completely insane people who've gone mad on the edge of space, rape their victims to death, eat their flesh, and sew their skins into their clothing and if they're very, very, lucky they do it in that order. As noted we saw plenty of competency and lucidity from them ones who've spoken -once dropping the facade- and the ones Morgan encountered at the end of the last season.

They may *act* mad and speak incoherently but that could be their entire "gig" in order to strike fear into their victims. To spread myths and stories about them. It's hard for a truly, madly, insane person to act sane. Like the Wolf who plead with Carl before Carl had to put him down, or the brief interaction we saw between in-disguise Carol and one of the other Wolves. So, I'd say there's a bit more evidence the "insanity" is mostly an act and they're more organized and competent than generally let-on at first glance. Just so they can go through a town of clueless people like the Alexandrians or those at Noah's gated community home. and convince any survivors this is a group of insane people. Spread fear through legends. "You think the walking dead are bad, well wait until you meet us!"

But to lay there and convincingly plead for your life? To carrying on a largely coherent conversation fireside with Morgan? To congratulate a capture made by a fellow teammate? Something a crazy person can't do.

For those so against sparing the Wolf for questioning. What would be *lost* by getting information from him, killing him; and then weighing the info's viability and likely truthfulness? Worst-case? You over-prepare for an attack that never comes ontop of making your general preparations to make the area more secure.
 
So you don't see any value in sending a few of your experienced people out to maybe sabotage the trucks in scenario one before the wolves use them? Or in either scenario to send a couple of your experienced sniper types (like Carol) to maybe take down some of the wolves? Put them on the defensive or at least make them think twice about continuing to press these attacks?

If they're going on the attack and intend to hunt them then the information might be useful (but would you believe a word of what the captor tells you?). But from a defensive point of view, I honestly don't think it matters.

And why do you keep hiding behind Carol in this argument? The issue isn't what she thinks is right and in character. We've already established that she was perfectly in character. The argument is whether it was a smart decision over all.

I totally agree with her assessment. I don't see any major benefit to capturing a nutcase who will probably lie to you even if he wasn't. In the wildly unlikely scenario that he's telling you the truth, it's only useful if you believe him and if you intend to go out looking for them. I still don't think it hugely affects what you need to be doing defensively.

And yes, if you've ever watched kids teams of football, you know that some coaches have to work with noob players and teams. Your defense still depends on what the offense is doing.

I'm talking about kids who don't even know what football is. I don't imagine a coach could teach them much more than the very basics. Same as the Alexandrians.

For those so against sparing the Wolf for questioning. What would be *lost* by getting information from him, killing him; and then weighing the info's viability and likely truthfulness? Worst-case? You over-prepare for an attack that never comes ontop of making your general preparations to make the area more secure.

But would the Alexandrians be willing to execute him? Would they vote to let him walk (and he goes back to the Wolves with genuinely valuable information).

That possibility will be on Carol's mind. The fools will send him away with a pack lunch.
 
But would the Alexandrians be willing to execute him? Would they vote to let him walk (and he goes back to the Wolves with genuinely valuable information).

That possibility will be on Carol's mind. The fools will send him away with a pack lunch.

That's not what I asked.
 
But would the Alexandrians be willing to execute him? Would they vote to let him walk (and he goes back to the Wolves with genuinely valuable information).

That possibility will be on Carol's mind. The fools will send him away with a pack lunch.

That's not what I asked.

You asked what would be lost.

My answer is... you would lose time debating what to do with him after. You would lose people to the task of supervising, feeding him. You would lose the hearts and minds of many of the Alexandrians if you execute him and you would lose your lives if you sent him back to his people with vital information about you.

That's what you lose.
 
But would the Alexandrians be willing to execute him? Would they vote to let him walk (and he goes back to the Wolves with genuinely valuable information).

That possibility will be on Carol's mind. The fools will send him away with a pack lunch.

That's not what I asked.

You asked what would be lost.

My answer is... you would lose time debating what to do with him after. You would lose people to the task of supervising, feeding him. You would lose the hearts and minds of many of the Alexandrians if you execute him and you would lose your lives if you sent him back to his people with vital information about you.

That's what you lose.

I said above, that they could hold him and not have to provide him with food, and keeping guard on him wouldn't need to take too much effort; hell they wouldn't need to keep him around long enough to even *need* a meal since they could figure out pretty quick if he's being forthcoming with his responses. There's little indication at this point there'd be problems from the other Alexandrians on what was happening, hell they wouldn't even have to know. Rick, Daryl and Carol could have taken care of the questioning and execution without anyone else needing to know; aside from Deanna who seems to be more on Rick's side of doing things now. The attack itself may have been enough to push the other Alexandrians into doing things Rick's way and executing the man who was part of a group who just raided their town and killed some of their citizens is hardly a controversial or touchy subject. It's unlikely anyone would have a problem killing him, like I doubt anyone had a problem with the killing of the other Wolves who came through. This is nothing at all like the "Randal Situation" which you allude to.

You're being disingenuous and clearly have no intent to discuss this issue in any level of good faith or rationally. Instead of answering the question you present a completely different answer than to what's being asked. Your response, therefor, to me is officially "Keeping him and questioning him would have provided them with useful information about this other group but I don't want to admit keeping him alive would have been a good idea so.... Uh..... They'd argue about what to do with him afterwards and spend time doing that! Ha!"
 
Yeah, they keep turning the prisoner into a life long inmate that has to be babysat for the next 20 years. You take an hour after the conflict, pump him for information, then kill him. After what his people (and him) did to the alexandrians no one is going to put up much of protest about him being put to death.

The alexandrians keep getting painted as total noobs to reality. They're not totally naive and seem to be learning fast to tow the line with Rick.
 
There's little indication at this point there'd be problems from the other Alexandrians on what was happening, hell they wouldn't even have to know. Rick, Daryl and Carol could have taken care of the questioning and execution without anyone else needing to know;

You would have to find a location, find someone to watch him (Morgan had other things to do), inform the residents that he's there (lest they should stumble upon him), then wait for Rick and the others to return to discuss what to do with him. In this period, I think it's safe to say the community would be aware that "one of the crazies was captured."

The attack itself may have been enough to push the other Alexandrians into doing things Rick's way and executing the man who was part of a group who just raided their town and killed some of their citizens is hardly a controversial or touchy subject. It's unlikely anyone would have a problem killing him, like I doubt anyone had a problem with the killing of the other Wolves who came through. This is nothing at all like the "Randal Situation" which you allude to.

Yeah, they keep turning the prisoner into a life long inmate that has to be babysat for the next 20 years. You take an hour after the conflict, pump him for information, then kill him. After what his people (and him) did to the alexandrians no one is going to put up much of protest about him being put to death.

The alexandrians keep getting painted as total noobs to reality. They're not totally naive and seem to be learning fast to tow the line with Rick.

I hate to say it again but... have you been watching the show? The whole of season five was about the fact that Alexandrians are living in a dream land. They're the kind of people who when told that there's thousands of zombies down the road, would rather play tennis, chat about the weather and hope it goes away. The kind of people who think it's probably best to ignore the wife beater at number 24 cos he's a nice enough chap when I play chess with him on Thursdays. The kind of people who want to negotiate and reason with the people that try to take their stuff. The kinds of people who Craol has such contempt for that she pretends to care about smoking and baking to lull them into feeling comfortable.

These people will be happy to let you kill in the heat of the moment but when an execution needs to take place. No.

You're being disingenuous and clearly have no intent to discuss this issue in any level of good faith or rationally.

Ah, the... "you're not agreeing with me therefore you're being mean"... response. Well known to the casual internetter. Also laughable gibberish.

Remind me, in what way was I not being rational when I answered your question eloquently and respectfully. Do tell.

Instead of answering the question you present a completely different answer than to what's being asked.

Umm nope. I answered the question "what is lost" The fact that you didn't like the answer and then proceeded to have a mild hissy fit is not really my problem.

Your response, therefor, to me is officially "Keeping him and questioning him would have provided them with useful information about this other group but I don't want to admit keeping him alive would have been a good idea so.... Uh..... They'd argue about what to do with him afterwards and spend time doing that! Ha!"

Um nope again. My answer is that there would be a demonstrable cost to keeping him alive. The idea that he would provide some truly fab intel then get shot behind a bush while everyone smiled and drank their orange squash, is nonsense. There would be a cost.

Claiming there wouldn't... now that really would be disingenuous ;).
 
Of course there's "a cost". No shit. But to inflate it to the point that it would be the end of everyone is ludicrous.

The "cost" is manageable, it's one person's time to watch the guy for an hour and a bullet to get rid of him after. The information gained has to be weighed against that and nothing more. It would have been worth taking.

Here's a question for you: What will your reaction be if it turns out the last guy Morgan dealt with is alive and a prisoner? We will be in the exact same situation as if Carol didn't kill the other guy. It'll be interesting to see if it would play out anything like you keep proclaiming.
 
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