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The Walking Dead Season 6 Discussion

Rather than trying to destroy the herd en masse, I would have just blown up the ramp out of the quarry. Or at least blow up a big enough chunk of it that walking out was not possible.

Trapping the herd in the quarry is the only logical way to manage them. Leading them anywhere else just means they will smell or hear any of the living on a run, and it starts all over again. By creating a one-way path to the quarry base, they need to follow that by TAKING ADVANTAGE OF EUGENE'S INTELLECT and see if he could develop a resource-friendly method of incinerating the trapped walkers, so no Wolves or future Governors do not get clever ideas about the dead army.
 
Anyone know a farmer that has experience with that kind of equipment that could give a more realistic assessment of a combine as ultimate anti-zombie machine?

I used to do work for a farm equipment company, and they had a machine that wasn't a combine, but basically a skid loader with a giant saw blade attachment on top. They made a video of it completely destroying a car. I'm sure it took on some wear after that, but it was a demonstration that their stuff could basically cut through anything.

I imagine that with their standard combines or cutters that can handle thick, hard trees, that they could mow through brittle zombie bones fairly easily and without too much damage. The machines would likely need maintenance after a certain point though. One would not be enough to take care of 50,000 I don't think. But they made several different types of machine.

Combines burn a lot of fuel. Where are they going to get that?
 
Combines burn a lot of fuel. Where are they going to get that?

They've had no trouble finding viable fuel so far; but don't get me started. ;)

But, large farm vehicles are almost exclusively diesel which would be a lot easier to make fuel for. (Just use bio-diesel.)
 
I did wonder why they didn't try to destroy the Zombies trapped in the quarry. Build some fertilizer bombs, drive them off the edge. They could have destroyed thousands of them.

But that wouldn't automatically solve the problem. These are walkers. You can't stop a walker without causing massive head trauma, and you can't focus the blast of an explosive enough to make sure the walkers in the blast radius are stopped completely. If half the walkers survive the blasts with just a couple of bruises, you've still got a herd of walkers that will eventually march on you.
A few bombs dropped in around the edges could have destroyed enough walker heads to reduce the number by thousands, and more would have been immobilized.

And on top of that, any really big bombs would have attracted every zombie within a 50 mile radius. The bigger the bomb you can imagine or suggest to get rid of the quarry walkers, the more walkers would have been attracted to it from the rest of the entire state.
That's a good point.

Rather than trying to destroy the herd en masse, I would have just blown up the ramp out of the quarry. Or at least blow up a big enough chunk of it that walking out was not possible.
Yeah, that would have been a better idea.

The problem with shows like TWD and as we saw so often in Star Trek - logic goes by the wayside in order to have effective and thrilling plots.
 
The problem with shows like TWD and as we saw so often in Star Trek - logic goes by the wayside in order to have effective and thrilling plots.

It is still possible to have thrilling plots and make sense at the same time.

There are alternatives to the handling of zombies and the quarry, but at least it does not shatter credibility like the "Andrea taking her time to talk to a dying man, instead of trying to escape her bonds as quickly as possible" scenes.
 
Walkers can only be "killed" with massive head trauma, but we've seen time and time again that they can certainly be immobilized with significant body damage.

I think leading them off and then, lemming style, sending them back over the cliff could have done a lot of "good" in immobilizing the walkers and possibly even causing them enough head trauma to "die" and may have been easily set-up depending on the topography and layout of the area.

I wish they'd led the front of the parade back to the top of the slide where they were falling into the pit. :lol: That'd keep em busy for a while.

Or to a steeper, sheer cliff face where they land and break apart.

A wall behind the two trucks on the ramp--or even just a line with aplank and something shiny--to have them walk off the plank would be best.

You don't free that herd.

This was a perfect walker venus flytrap. Now it hasn't been maintained, but with a little work--could free the countryside.

Go to other quarries and set up shop.

Attract several to a clipp face, then dynamite it--and bury them.

Then use the combines to mop up. Not too many--or it gums up the works.

This stunt is the dumbest thing Rick has ever done.
 
Carol and Morgan have turned into god damn zombie apocalypse super heroes.

Michonne's got some catching up to do.

I think that Carol killed that wolve talking to Morgan just before he was going to give us some useful information. Par for the course.

Seems like the only remaining Rick hater in the town is son of porchdick.
 
Sooo...

Ron is beyond hope; he's saved by two people who answer to the name Grimes in as many episodes, but he's filled with hatred. Seeing Enid in Carl's doorway will not go anywhere good.

Jessie's acting out--of course--all of her once-abused wife status crumbling in favor of her "released beast" of violence & defense.

I'm almost sure Ron will blame the Grimes gang for this change.

Interesting moment with Carl: he's willing to shoot enemies, but when the Wolf pretended to beg for help, Carl's instinct was to consider it.

...however, in what I feel was the most telegraphed scene, Morgan and Carol passing each other sort of bullhorns a drastic change for both:

1. Carol started off in this episode being the stealth hunter--quick thinking and intelligent as always, but the matter-of-fact attitude she exhibited last season is wearing thin.

The depression seen (during the search for Beth) is coming back. After her continued guilt over the terrible end of the Samuels sisters, to losing innocent people in the ASZ she was honestly fond of, she's probably moving toward some sort of personal crisis.

2. Morgan's peaceful mindset is constantly being challenged, but giving the Wolves a chance was a serious mistake (that almost cost him in a most personal way). Now that he feels he cannot peacenik his way through life anymore, will this be the change that leads to a rift between himself and Rick?

Now, I know someone might think Rick would welcome an offensive-minded Morgan, one cannot forget that he's a man of extremes--from the violent, near-crazy guy from season three's "Clear," to the would-be monk of late. Morgan actually might be the most unstable character because of his extremes, and either side can only lead to greater conflict.


Aaron now knows he led the Wolves to ASZ. It should be interesting to see how he processes that.

Deanna...I hope her admitting she cannot defend herself does not lead to her going overboard to become another version of Carol--only to turn the screws on the Grimes gang for control, etc.
 
I think Deanna may be heading for a crisis with the realization that she can't handle what the world has become.
 
I was just glad to see Carol Homemaker give way to ass-kicking Chameleon Carol finally.

Son of Porchdick didn't die... unfortunately.

Morgan should have let the priest get kilt. He needs to die too.
 
Hooray, Carol! I freakin' love her.

Yeah, seems Deanna was having a bit of a meltdown. Can't say as I blame her. She's checked out.

I loved how all that horrible shit went down in less time than it took for Carl's casserole to bake.
 
I loved how all that horrible shit went down in less time than it took for Carl's casserole to bake.
Ding!

Yeah, that was pretty cool. A nice little graphic representation of how much time this episode actually took.

Funny how it feels like things are over at the end, but we know there's a whole herd of walkers heading their way straight for Alexandria right now.
 
I'm still thinking that Enid is with the Wolves. She was talking about the weak walls, and clearly said "that's how we were able to" before Carl cut her off. It was either going to be about how she and Carl snuck out last season, or about how she let the Wolves in. I see a lot of people on reddit talking about how it was just her sneaking out last season, but they're ignoring some other significant clues.

After Enid ate the turtle, they show her walking to the front gate of Alexandria. Some time had clearly passed. She looked different. But she turned away. Now obviously she's not comfortable around people and likes to keep to herself, but the other possibility is that she had a mission and did not want to carry it out. There could very well have been time for her to meet the Wolves between the turtle and the front gate.

We also had that scene where Carl was walking Judith early in the episode, and he saw Enid talking to some blond kid. The blond kid looked like Enid had just given him some very bad news, and he looked sad/upset about it. So she may have been warning a few other kids about the Wolves impending attack, trying to help them survive too. Now obviously, maybe Enid just said that she was planning on leaving soon, and he was sad, but look deeper. Note that in the middle of a Wolves attack, when Ron saw Enid standing in the doorway of a house, and was told to go in there for safety, he chose not to. So perhaps Enid warned him too. And perhaps he knew he wouldn't be safe in that house.


One last thing, and this might be barking up the wrong tree, but I would have been much more comfortable if, when Carl turned the kitchen timer off at the end, it would have been the same camera angle from earlier, which showed Judith safely on the baby monitor. The fact that they made a point to show Judith on the baby monitor the first time, but not the second time, means at the very least, the possibility entered my head that Enid took Judith with her.

Now based on the angle of the monitor, Carl should have been looking right at it when he turned off the buzzer, so hopefully she's there, all safe and sound. But until we see Judith, or at least an unworried Carl, after whatever zombie siege we get next episode, I'm going to be worried.


Of course, after the end of episode 1, I thought there was going to be a zombie siege this episode too. Nope. It would be pretty cool if this whole half season just took place over the course of 1 day or something.


And on a different note, I also want to say that they did a good job of introducing the new doctor lady. That was certainly what you'd call a trial by fire, and her lesson learned on Day 1 is that you can't save every patient, but you have to give it your best.

And yeah, that was a pretty Carol-like turn from Jessie when she killed the Wolf in her house.

Oh yeah, one other neat thing from this episode was the truck horn. Funny how it was completely unintentional from the Wolves, but could possibly help their cause greatly.

Did the Wolves not know that Rick was off being the zombie pied piper? Did they know that Alexandria was missing some of it's strongest defenders when they attacked? Maybe they knew a bunch of people had left, but had no clue where they had gone to.

I'll be honest, in the season premiere, I had hoped that Rick was going to say that they found the Wolves camp, and were going to lead this horde of zombies straight down their throats. I was disappointed to find out that they were just leading the herd 20 miles away, and leaving them. Hmm, I wonder if they might try to re-aim the herd if they can track the retreating wolves. There's still a chance that I may get my wish after all.
 
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I doubt Enid had anything to do with The Wolves, all implication seems to be The Wolves didn't know about Alexandria until they found Aaron's rucksack with the Alexandria promotional materials in it and that is what drove the town. Enid likely was planning on leaving, hence the angst with her and the other kid as well as the general Teenage Angst Love Triangle. I'd expect to see her again, however.

I'm not nearly as much on the "Carol!!! OMG!!!!!" train is everyone else, as I've said before it was rather forced and happened out of nowhere with no development of it, but in this episode I really liked how she behaved and pulled things off, as well as what Morgan was doing. (Though how did Morgan get to Alexandria ahead of the rest of the "parade" handlers?) Though she gets some serious demerits for killing the Wolf Morgan had captured and tied-up. Yeah, no use he could be of, Carol. Except, you know, getting information from him regarding who they are, where they're from, where their camp is, why the came to attack the town, etc. Even Rick would see the value the guy had in providing information.

It's interesting to see how brutal and "feral" The Wolves are, it's still fairly important to remember that we're only a little over 2-years into the ZA at this point and apparently these men and women went from ordinary, every-day, people going through life to being utter savages. Yeah, there's a segment of our population who're savages and are only held back by the confines of society and those who aren't usually find themselves in prison sooner or later, but The Wolves seem like a rather large group of people who went savage quickly. I'd think most people would be more like our group. More-or-less still compassionate humans but battle hardened into being jaded and cynical; brutal if need-be.

Interesting that this is our first "real-time" episode of the show.

With this group of people coming in and the mega-herd of walkers on the way it seems like this is what's going to wake the Alexandrians up on the realities of this world and Deanna's so on the outs she's probably ready to hand the keys completely over to Rick. Also, would seem the arrival of Rick and our group may be what saved this town, as they arrived shortly before the quarry's containment collapsed (which would have unleashed a mega-horde of walkers into the area that all sooner or later would have made it to the noise produced by Alexandria) and Aaron likely would have fallen into the "Wolf Trap" sooner or later when out searching or finding supplies, lost the Promotional Package, and got the Wolves onto them -who may have found them sooner or later anyway.)

I liked the "flashback" of Enid's "story" and the "feral child" aspects, like with the turtle. But, sheesh, you'd think she would have cooked it or something first!

JSS

Talking Dead was good, always like Kevin Smith's comments on stuff, Paul Bettany was great; not only at his laughing at some of Kevin's more.... "colorful" analogies of things but his use of Jarvis's voice to say a line after a fan-suggestion. Next week, we get our TWD Yvette Nicole Brown with all of her notes and such.

The young actor who plays Enid was also on TTD (a couple segments in) seems like a bright young woman, but MAN her lipstick choice was sort of a bold one. Fairly normal-looking clothing, hair and makeup choices in general but the lipstick was a bold, deep, red that stood out pretty strongly. A lot of makeup for any woman, let alone a young one like her. Less make-up suits her more -but suits any woman more, IMHO.

Good episode, be around for further and future comments!
 
Yeah, turtle is a dangerous one to eat raw. They almost always avoid it in survival situations, and gotta cook the hell out of it if you do. Raw is a poor choice...
 
Seems like the show likes to take small things from the comics and blow 'em up big. Random group of cannibals hanging out in a backyard -> Terminus. Random group of easily dispatched thugs at Alexandria's gate -> Wolves.
 
After Enid ate the turtle, they show her walking to the front gate of Alexandria. Some time had clearly passed. She looked different. But she turned away. Now obviously she's not comfortable around people and likes to keep to herself, but the other possibility is that she had a mission and did not want to carry it out. There could very well have been time for her to meet the Wolves between the turtle and the front gate.

I think there's more to her story than the flashback, but she could be associated with another threat to come. She clearly likes Carl, so she would never want him sacrificed (not that should would have any influence over that) for the cause of an enemy force.

We also had that scene where Carl was walking Judith early in the episode, and he saw Enid talking to some blond kid. The blond kid looked like Enid had just given him some very bad news, and he looked sad/upset about it. So she may have been warning a few other kids about the Wolves impending attack, trying to help them survive too.

Was he blond? The shot was so quick, I thought it was Ron, which would support Ron's disgusted look at seeing Enid standing in Carl's doorway.


One last thing, and this might be barking up the wrong tree, but I would have been much more comfortable if, when Carl turned the kitchen timer off at the end, it would have been the same camera angle from earlier, which showed Judith safely on the baby monitor. The fact that they made a point to show Judith on the baby monitor the first time, but not the second time, means at the very least, the possibility entered my head that Enid took Judith with her.

But Carl passed by the monitor after removing the food from the oven. With the ASZ just suffering an attack, he would have checked on Judith. Further, I do not like the idea of a child in peril AGAIN--it was teased at the end of the prison arc (bloody carrier), Lizzie nearly smothering Judith, and later only one moment away from being stabbed by her, and finally, Terminus Martin threatening to break her neck.

Enough of the baby in peril, as its too much--even on a show with constant danger.


And on a different note, I also want to say that they did a good job of introducing the new doctor lady. That was certainly what you'd call a trial by fire, and her lesson learned on Day 1 is that you can't save every patient, but you have to give it your best.

Of note in that scene was Tara complaining of feeling dizzy. While I think that is likely after significant head trauma, something tells me this will play a part in her being a short-timer in the ZA this season.

And yeah, that was a pretty Carol-like turn from Jessie when she killed the Wolf in her house.



Oh yeah, one other neat thing from this episode was the truck horn. Funny how it was completely unintentional from the Wolves, but could possibly help their cause greatly.

Did the Wolves not know that Rick was off being the zombie pied piper? Did they know that Alexandria was missing some of it's strongest defenders when they attacked? Maybe they knew a bunch of people had left, but had no clue where they had gone to.

They were watching--or had to, since they felt it was time to attack. Then again, if its true that the Wolves do not use guns (other than a one-time scare tactic), it would be pretty bold to assume they could slaughter the ASZ, without facing resistance. Or, maybe they do not use guns, but have heavy firepower as backup, if you remember the damage to the walls surrounding Noah's hometown.


Enid likely was planning on leaving, hence the angst with her and the other kid as well as the general Teenage Angst Love Triangle. I'd expect to see her again, however.

Agreed. I think she believes Carl--with his world-wise experiences--might be the only person who is close to understanding her.

I'm not nearly as much on the "Carol!!! OMG!!!!!" train is everyone else, as I've said before it was rather forced and happened out of nowhere with no development of it, but in this episode I really liked how she behaved and pulled things off, as well as what Morgan was doing.

Everything witnessed over the past two seasons can be explained by her statement to Daryl--that she (once staying at the prison) became the person she thought she should be. That would tie into her take no prisoners (or sick people) behavior, along with teaching the prison kids how to use weapons.

Remember, she was a victim for many long years, so breaking out of that was a desire bubbling under the surface, first with openly saying what she believe others thought of her (S2 -- complaining that others treat her like she's crazy, or a burden) to life on the road before arriving at the prison, where she's already using guns.

Carol's transformation was not overnight by no means, and if Rick, Michonne and Glenn could (at varying stages) become fed up with abuse and threats to just living, there's no reason Carol (who led a terrible life before the ZA) would not adopt that same, security-minded behavior, too.

(Though how did Morgan get to Alexandria ahead of the rest of the "parade" handlers?)

Perhaps he strayed back toward ASZ after Rick killing the bitten, would-be usurper, and was a right place, right time sort of thing.


Though she gets some serious demerits for killing the Wolf Morgan had captured and tied-up. Yeah, no use he could be of, Carol. Except, you know, getting information from him regarding who they are, where they're from, where their camp is, why the came to attack the town, etc. Even Rick would see the value the guy had in providing information.

Come on. The Wolves are demented savages. Did any of their raid--strictly to slaughter--suggest any of the members would be even slightly compliant with an interrogation?

Moreover, Aaron now knows of at least one Wolf trap area (thanks to finding his backpack), so they have a general sense of their stomping grounds.

It's interesting to see how brutal and "feral" The Wolves are, it's still fairly important to remember that we're only a little over 2-years into the ZA at this point and apparently these men and women went from ordinary, every-day, people going through life to being utter savages. Yeah, there's a segment of our population who're savages and are only held back by the confines of society and those who aren't usually find themselves in prison sooner or later, but The Wolves seem like a rather large group of people who went savage quickly. I'd think most people would be more like our group. More-or-less still compassionate humans but battle hardened into being jaded and cynical; brutal if need-be.

The part in bold is the answer--even in the real life, there are brutal savages who live in law-enforced, industrialized countries, but that does not prevent mass shooting, cannibalism, rape, dismemberment, and all other types of inhuman actions. If the rules-free ZA hit this world, i'm betting Governors, Claimers and cannibal towns would pop up like weeds, as there's not much more than a thread keeping humanity from falling into base desires.


I liked the "flashback" of Enid's "story" and the "feral child" aspects, like with the turtle. But, sheesh, you'd think she would have cooked it or something first!

She would do well being the sidekick of snake, owl and possum-eatin' Daryl.
 
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