• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

The Walking Dead Season 6 Discussion

I really liked this episode. I love watching Carol so much---seeing her struggle with her humanity and her brutal-killer self, seeing the different levels between revealing and concealing who she is---just WOW.

This season has been so interesting to watch; can't wait to see what happens next.
 
Last edited:
Not so sure about Rick's action in the end and not just from a moral standpoint. A prisoner might allow for some kind of intel or trade in the future. Then again, after Jesus they might not feel confident in being able to hold anyone. :)
Rick probably still think this was the entire group and that someone who claimed the name "Negan" was it. No one else to negotiate with.
 
Not so sure about Rick's action in the end and not just from a moral standpoint. A prisoner might allow for some kind of intel or trade in the future. Then again, after Jesus they might not feel confident in being able to hold anyone. :)

There's always intel to be gained. Think of season 5--when the Grady hospital cops were taken prisoner--aside from anything Noah said, valuable info was gained by speaking to them; if all had been killed outright, there would be no hint of how a situation might unfold.

Carol seems to be wrestling with humanity worming its way into her armor. I wonder if maybe she and Morgan will have a talk in their future.

I predicted they might have some sort of summit thanks to her wanting to return to a softer side...then, there's the jail cell Morgan's constructed, which is seen in the teaser of next week's episode.....

And do they keep Paul Feig on speed dial for the women-centric episodes of TWD? :)

Yeah...and he really offered nothing to the conversation. Ultimately, it was a plug for a film that's polarizing. Yay!!
 
The good folks from ASZ have eliminated two Saviors outposts and and a Saviors patrol so far this season. Negan will certainly notice that there is a huge threat out there.
 
Last edited:
Thought is was a great episode and as someone who is not a big fan of Carol it's good to see her re-embracing some of her humanity. At first I thought her grabbing the rosary and her faked panic attack was part of some game or plan but it didn't seem to be, it seems her "facade" of the bad-ass has fallen and we're sort-of seeing her old, "true" self come back.

It seems they're going to use The Saviors as a group out there worthy of some level of "respect" or another, they're just antagonists because they're not "our" group; but they do have a means to end in protecting themselves. Would our group have behaved that much differently if the situation were reversed? The only "wrinkle" in this is the "protection tax" they impose on The Hilltop, that's something that is hard to defend.

Alica Witt did a fantastic job in this, loved her on TTD.

Cohan and McBride also did great jobs.

Cannot criticize the action(s) taken by Maggie and Rick and co. given what they know, what happened and given the actions of The Saviors between how they treat The Hilltop and their encounter with Daryl, et. al. on the road. As the episode's events were unfolding I was wondering if Daryl wasn't using his tracking skilz to follow them to their satellite hideout. (Not the sat. receiving location, satellite in terms of the "network" The Saviors have set-up.)

Be real interesting to see where it all goes from here.
 
Pretty intense episode, and I loved that Carol even seemed to have Maggie fooled there for a moment with the hyperventilating. Although it did appear like maybe Carol was using some of her real fear and anguish to help sell the idea a bit better.

And yeah, Rick was pretty ruthless at the end, but they had already taken out the rest of the group and he was still understandably pissed over the kidnapping of Carol and Maggie. And these were clearly dangerous people they were dealing with.

It may be true that Rick and his group are not quite the "the good guys" any more, as that one girl said, but they still only kill when they absolutely have to or out of self-defense. And they don't take some twisted, sadistic pleasure in terrorizing and killing people the way Negan, the Governor and all those other groups often seem to.
 
Last edited:
I really liked this episode. I love watching Carol so much---seeing her struggle with her humanity and her brutal-killer self, seeing the different levels between reveling and concealing who she is---just WOW.

Agreed. I was worried at first the way she was acting. I was gonna scream out "They broke my Carol!" I felt much better at the end.
 
Alexandria might be one of the few settlements left in this world that hasn't turned into ruthless killers, and that's terrifying. The fact that most of humanity has turned into sadistic excuses for humans just because the world is ending doesn't really seem that far-fetched. Rick and Co. still have some humanity left to them, but there's not much left collectively. I can't imagine what they are going to be like in 5 or 10 years.
 
@Starbreaker
Hopefully alive, probably not.

Great episode. I thought a friendly face was going to die but it looks like the gang got away Scott free. It almost feels like this season will end with a happy ending but that can't happen, right?

To those who think the Alexandria bunch are still good guys, they're not. Regardless of what the remainder of Negan's group might have done, or what could have happened if they let them live, the disposal of Negan's group was malicious. I don't blame them, and their options were limited, but it wasn't like their backs were against the wall. Who knows if Morgan's plan would have worked or not, he is a prime example of how someone could come back around to good. It probably wouldn't have but they didn't give them chance, and though people in their world shouldn't give people a chance, that shouldn't make them good for not doing it.
 
@Starbreaker
Hopefully alive, probably not.

Great episode. I thought a friendly face was going to die but it looks like the gang got away Scott free. It almost feels like this season will end with a happy ending but that can't happen, right?

To those who think the Alexandria bunch are still good guys, they're not. Regardless of what the remainder of Negan's group might have done, or what could have happened if they let them live, the disposal of Negan's group was malicious. I don't blame them, and their options were limited, but it wasn't like their backs were against the wall. Who knows if Morgan's plan would have worked or not, he is a prime example of how someone could come back around to good. It probably wouldn't have but they didn't give them chance, and though people in their world shouldn't give people a chance, that shouldn't make them good for not doing it.
I don't go by good guys or bad guys.

They're MY guys.

's'all I care about...
 
To those who think the Alexandria bunch are still good guys, they're not. Regardless of what the remainder of Negan's group might have done, or what could have happened if they let them live, the disposal of Negan's group was malicious. I don't blame them, and their options were limited, but it wasn't like their backs were against the wall. Who knows if Morgan's plan would have worked or not, he is a prime example of how someone could come back around to good. It probably wouldn't have but they didn't give them chance, and though people in their world shouldn't give people a chance, that shouldn't make them good for not doing it.

Eh, I think Rick was right that they would have had to deal with Negan's group eventually. And that group already showed just how dangerous and corrupt they were in their encounter with Daryl and Abraham earlier, so it seemed obvious they were too far gone for Morgan's plan to have have ever worked.

As long as they don't set out to kill innocent people, I'm still willing to see Rick's group as the "good guys" on this show... or at least as good as it's possible to get in a zombie apocalypse.
 
Rick and Co. still have some humanity left to them, but there's not much left collectively. I can't imagine what they are going to be like in 5 or 10 years.

I cannot see them being any different than their adversaries, since most of the core group is on or crossing that border right now. With that, I see Morgan, Carol and careful fence-sitter Michonne all dying or leaving thanks to the increasingly nihilistic platform of the group.

The approach of Hershel, Beth, Tyreese and Dale is as dead as they are.
 
@Starbreaker
Hopefully alive, probably not.

Great episode. I thought a friendly face was going to die but it looks like the gang got away Scott free. It almost feels like this season will end with a happy ending but that can't happen, right?

Nope. Three episodes left in the season, and it will end with a gruesome bang...and from what i'm hearing, not just the "one" fans are discussing.

To those who think the Alexandria bunch are still good guys, they're not.

Agreed, they are not.

Regardless of what the remainder of Negan's group might have done, or what could have happened if they let them live, the disposal of Negan's group was malicious. I don't blame them, and their options were limited, but it wasn't like their backs were against the wall. Who knows if Morgan's plan would have worked or not, he is a prime example of how someone could come back around to good.

While I disagreed with Morgan's trying to capture/talk to the Wolves (proven pointless across the board), he might think that someone--a higher up among the Saviors might be forced to see the light--particularly if they see Savior methodology as an explosion waiting to happen, or have had to bit their tongue as loved ones were captures and abused, and they cant take it anymore, but were too involved to escape. Being caught by Morgan for a "Eastman" session might be worth the effort.

Maybe.
 
I cannot see them being any different than their adversaries, since most of the core group is on or crossing that border right now. With that, I see Morgan, Carol and careful fence-sitter Michonne all dying or leaving thanks to the increasingly nihilistic platform of the group.

The approach of Hershel, Beth, Tyreese and Dale is as dead as they are.

I'd say in a world like this, where killing for survival is part of a new norm, Rick and his group still fall on the side of "good."

We've yet to see Rick's group kill for a direct, personal, gain. If Rick or members of his group came across another, "civilized" group of survivors on the road they wouldn't stop them and say, "Give us all of your stuff, show us where you live, and one of you will likely die."

They didn't go into the Hilltop with the goal or aim of taking the place over or cleaning them out, they went there to set-up a formal relationship. Rick does say, "we're not leaving empty-handed" but it's highly unlikely he means "deal with us or we'll take it" and he's just using some measure of "tough negotiations."

Given the problems they've had with Woodbury/The Governor, The Claimers, Terminus/The Termites, The Wolves and now The Saviors it's understandable to realize that this was an encounter that had to happen sooner or later and going with a covert coup d'etat to minimize personal risk than to have a more active encounter when The Saviors eventually found them. Without the RPG the encounter between Daryl, Sasha and Abraham and The Saviors would have ended differently and very badly for The Alexandrians.

They've little reason to distrust Jesus and he's the reason why the know the story of The Hilltop and Saviors, what happened and Gregory was hardly acting as someone dishonest, especially after the attack, it also matches up with Daryl's encounter on the road with the biker Saviors.

So, I think we can unobjectively say that our group are still the "good" guys. Accepting this is a dog-eat-dog world where even good guys have to kill, even when unprovoked or attacked or as extreme retaliation for an attack.

Our group is killing for their protection.

The Saviors were killing in order to "tax" other groups for their food and supplies. They took half of Hilltop's supplies for a "protection payment" and continued to demand subsequent payments, apparently, in increasing numbers and failure to meet demands was met with death.

So, again i say, our group still falls on the side of "good." They kill for protection and long-term survival. They do not kill for gain of goods and property. Were that the case they would have overpowered The Governor and seized Woodbury, or done that to The Hilltop, they had the weapons and experience to take Hilltop quickly and they chose not to.

I find it astonishingly how easy some want to say our group is falling on the "bad" side or are losing their claim to being "good guys." When they've yet to kill for a direct, personal, gain.
 
Don't forget that they don't keep snapshots pinned next to their bunks (in the same place teenage boys put posters of hot girls, likely for the same reason) of all the people who's heads they've caved in with baseball bats.
 
Don't forget that they don't keep snapshots pinned next to their bunks (in the same place teenage boys put posters of hot girls, likely for the same reason) of all the people who's heads they've caved in with baseball bats.

Yeah, that's another one too. They kill out of some level of necessity, but they don't enjoy it and certainly don't turn it into some-kind-of fetish. (Seriously pinning Polaroids of people whom you've killed over your bed is psychotic behavior.) Rick's had his moments of insanity, namely with Porch Dick, but even that was some measure of "protection over personal gain" given that Porch Dick was abusing his wife and children, though Rick wasn't 100% motivated by that; and he did imply the need to "take over" Alexandria if he felt it wasn't a safe place for The Group but we could probably argue all day how that particular take-over would have occurred if pushed to that level.

There''s great differences between the killing The Group has done and the killing The Saviors have done.
 
Yeah I imagine Rick's "takeover" of Alexandria would have been a whole lot more peaceful than if any other group had done it. And it's likely relations would have smoothed out anyway once the townspeople came to see how fundamentally kind and decent most everyone else in his group was.
 
Yeah, his take-over likely would have been more a show of force than it would have been an execution of either Deanna or Reg, just more "we're stronger and this is how it's going to be" a hostile take over, sure, but not a violent or deadly one. And, as you say, everyone would have came to his side because it's likely the things that've happened would likely have happened the same way between The Wolves and the mega-herd and the quarry.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top