It's funny, before you mentioned it I could have sworn that Second Chances was an earlier episode, perhaps of Season 4...
Odd!
The TNG Movies or a TNG Season 8
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It's funny, before you mentioned it I could have sworn that Second Chances was an earlier episode, perhaps of Season 4...
Odd!
??? It's a strange question. The 7th season of TNG was a complete mess, and the performances felt off; those actors were burned out and were ready to end it. All Good Things... was the saving grace for that wretched season.
I sure as hell didn't want a repeat of season 7 so I'd rather the movies. Although I hated every film made from TNG. Those films never made any sense.
I sure as hell didn't want a repeat of season 7 so I'd rather the movies. Although I hated every film made from TNG. Those films never made any sense.
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True, and that's why an 8th season would likely have made more sense.
How could you hate First Contact? That is universally hailed a top 2 or 3 Star Trek movie ever.
I don't really like any of the TNG movies. Generations was horrible, Insurrection a very average episode, Nemesis and First Contact about bearable. None were quite as bad as STV, but none were as good as the other TOS movies.
All of TNG's great moments were in the series and I'd have liked another season.
First Contact is, no joke, my least favorite of the NextGen films. There are some good individual scenes, but the whole thing is a tonal mess, and the two plotlines barely cohere.
When I rank the twelve current films, First Contact ranks #11. Ahead of only Star Trek: Insurrection.
First Contact didn't seem to know what kind of movie it really wanted to be.
I wonder how you rank the dreadful Nemesis.
The four TNG films sit at the bottom of my rankings. But Nemesis leads the pack. It has its flaws (many of them), but it actually feels like a movie.
I actually feel that Nemesis has aged much better than the rest of the TNG films.
TNG season 7 was totally decent. There were quite a few weird ones and a couple of stinkers, but every season of every show has those. Descent II, Gambit I+II, Parallels, Pegasus, Thine Own Self, Genesis, Emergence, Preemtive Strike are all pretty watchable and even rewatchable. I'm not sure I'm buying into this notion of the whole season being garbage.
Seriously; what do people not get about "I like/dislike this movie" being 100% subjective?
It doesn't matter if 90% of a particular group likes or dislikes a movie, you still might enjoy it or not, depending on your individual taste. We, unlike the Borg, are not a hive mind.
For what it's worth I can't stand First Contact either. It was the beginning of the end of the Borg, turning them from this mysterious, alien menace into basically space zombies led by a cyberpunk dominatrix. Zefram Cochrane was annoying, Picard jumped around and screamed like a howler monkey and Data faced a choice between gaining emotions or helping his friends yet again. The rest of the characters get some token scenes but are largely ignored. To me it's not a very good movie.
And for hat it's worth I like Nemesis better than it. I'd even say I like Nemesis the best of the TNG movies (which is not very much praise).
This is my feeling as well. The four NextGen films go at the bottom of my rankings as well. I sometimes flip Generations and Nemesis at the top of those four, then comes Insurrection (which I think is adequate but nothing more than a television movie that happened to have a film budget), and finally First Contact.
Nemesis has problems, but it's at least aware that it's a movie. Insurrection and First Contact aren't.
Something I find particularly unfortunate is that Michael Piller didn't write any more TNG after season 5 except "Rascals" (a good if somewhat guilty pleasure) and then Insurrection (by which point he had mostly lost his touch and/or the actors had gained too much influence).
"Insurrection" was pretty bad.
I have a copy of the unpublished book Piller wrote about the making of Insurrection. The book is very good, with a lot of insight into how scripts are written and films are made, but there's a reason why it's unpublished -- it paints a number of very important people (among them, Stewart and Spiner, as well as studio people) in a less-than-flattering light.
I don't really blame Piller for Insurrection's flaws, and I credit him with how well it works. The film is generally effective at what it does, but not much more than that because the script was, frankly, very much a compromise.
Fair enough.
I appreciate you making those points, I disagree with almost all of them, but they are yours to make.
I just asked a question, I've heard people blast all 3 of the other TNG movies, but it is extremely rare to have the dark and action filled First Contact carved up like you just did.
Saved after Generations, can't remember Spot making an appearance in the last 3.
Moreover, what ever did happen to her kittens after she was a lizard? Did they make it?
I think Spot is in Nemesis.
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