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Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™

Given that the Constitution herself is NCC-1700 though...
I think that may be a holdover from the FJ Starfleet Technical Manual, unless it appeared on-screen (which I don't know that it ever did and may still be considered apocryphal). But if you take into account the canonicity of the SFTM ship names and registries being mentioned in Epsilon Nine radio chatter, the Connie's 1700 registry could be taken into the canon by proxy. Ugh... This shit gives me a headache sometimes... :lol:
But the registry numbers do make chronological sense.
Only up to a certain point, really. Then by TNG and DS9 (and certainly by the 32nd century) they start getting all kinds of wonky. Don't get Dukhat started on that one... ;)
 
But that's just it - others from the SFTM are, thanks to the TMP Epsilon Nine scene, to wit:
Scout Columbia NCC six two one to rendezvous with Scout Revere NCC five nine five on stardate seven four one one point four.
Both of these Hermes-class Scouts were listed in the Tech Manual with these registries, making them pretty much canon, despite GR's apoplectic conniptions over FJ's work. It could be argued, then, that all the ship names and registries in the book (including Connie's) could be considered canon ("soft canon", at the very least).
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I'm not so sure about that. I've always adopted the policy that only information that was seen or mentioned onscreen was canon. Therefore, while TMP used the names and registry numbers for the Columbia and the Revere based on the info in FJ's book, that doesn't necessarily mean that the ships actually looked like that, since we never saw them on screen, or that any other ships on that list actually exist. Was that the intent at the time? No doubt. But there's wiggle room here, canonically speaking. Just like how using four STO designs in the first episode of PIC season 2 doesn't automatically make every other STO ship canon. Just those four.
 
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Not in canon

The NCC-1700 is definitely a Constitution-class ship according to canon though. We see it on a display in TNG: "Datalore". The production team's intent was that this was the USS Constitution, and it is listed as such in at least one edition of the Star Trek Encyclopedia.
 
I'm not so sure about that. I've always adopted the policy that only information that was seen or mentioned onscreen was canon. Therefore, while TMP used the names and registry numbers for the Columbia and the Revere based on the info in FJ's book, that doesn't necessarily mean that the ships actually looked like that, since we never saw them on screen, or that any other ships on that list actually exist. Was that the intent at the time? No doubt. But there's wiggle room here, canonically speaking. Just like how using four STO designs in the first episode of PIC season 2 doesn't automatically make every other STO ship canon. Just those four.
Yeah, I agree with the wiggle room concept. Since I always despised the Roddenberry/Schnaubelt feud (and I do believe that the people who inserted those things in the movie knew exactly what they were doing), I personally keep all of the latter's work firmly in my head-canon (the anchor point, actually). Predominantly because if it were only a couple of ship registries from a tiny part of FJ's work, that could be explained as a one-off kind of thing, but we also have pictures of other Tech Manual pages and Enterprise Blueprints being shown on the screens when the V'Ger probe starts hacking into Enterprise's computer. They go by so quickly, it's hard to tell if it showed the other FJ ktbashes and Trek Core doesn't show them all (I honestly can't remember what was shown). The newly-remastered TMP is up on Paramount+ now. I think I'm going to give it a look to see what's there.
 
Yeah, I agree with the wiggle room concept. Since I always despised the Roddenberry/Schnaubelt feud (and I do believe that the people who inserted those things in the movie knew exactly what they were doing), I personally keep all of the latter's work firmly in my head-canon (the anchor point, actually). Predominantly because if it were only a couple of ship registries from a tiny part of FJ's work, that could be explained as a one-off kind of thing, but we also have pictures of other Tech Manual pages and Enterprise Blueprints being shown on the screens when the V'Ger probe starts hacking into Enterprise's computer. They go by so quickly, it's hard to tell if it showed the other FJ ktbashes and Trek Core doesn't show them all (I honestly can't remember what was shown). The newly-remastered TMP is up on Paramount+ now. I think I'm going to give it a look to see what's there.
I believe some FJ stuff showed up in early TNG when Data scrolled through pages super-fast, and his Federation symbol was used on a building in The Voyage Home (which I believe was changed for the bluray)
 
TWOK showed the diagrams of the Saladin/Hermes and Ptolemy classes, and at least the page that shows the *outline* of the Federation class dreadnought, so it’s arguable that these designs existed in Starfleet too. TNG showed diagrams of the Orion Wanderer and the Lotus Flower class neutronic fuel carrier from FASA, along with a design from Sternbach’s Spaceflight chronology. It also showed a starchart from the same book that shows the name USS Greyhound, which was a Castor class starship (of which there is a design, but it wasn’t shown on screen.)
 
The future can't be thirty years ago forever, let alone fifty.
This isn't a battle I'm interested in fighting or a hill I want to die on, but the way that Kirk changes it from 'man' to 'one' at the end of Star Trek VI after peace is made with the Klingons implied to me that he's switching to a term that's inclusive of alien races, instead of just thinking of mankind. Especially after their disasterous dinner where they talk about "inalienable human rights".

Of course that's not why it was changed for The Next Generation, the intention was to make it more gender-neutral, but 'man' in that context doesn't have to be taken as meaning 'male people' and that's certainly not how I ever took it. So I can get behind the change happening after TOS in-universe.
 
Wow she's a big ship, looks around Kelvin Timeline size to me actually. Do these windows match the 400+ metres length or does she come out even larger?
They're actually rather narrow, working with the 1442-foot figure provided to some licensees. Less than three feet wide.

The on-set windows this feature references appear to be larger, of course. Ah, art design.
 
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Oh, yeah, - the STD version:

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I pity the Memory Alpha contributor who's decided to make an entry for each of those names,
 
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