Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™

[NCC-73515]

Plus it wouldn't make sense come the TMP refit, why would they go from slanted to straight to slanted again?

According to the current timeline, they are doing precisely that.

What I mean is no other starship stuck with the flimsy looking neck or pylons. The moment we got to the movies both those things were made sturdier.

That's what Doug Drexler calls our monkey brain reaction. We initially think it's flimsy and weak, and that's why it's futuristic, because future materials we can't imagine yet make such thin elements possible.

 

[Tomalak]

You don't get to mine TOS. And mining TOS is what they want to do. Some day they will mine TNG. Probably sooner than later.

Lower Decks is clearly doing just that.

 

[Vale]

That's what Doug Drexler calls our monkey brain reaction. We initially think it's flimsy and weak, and that's why it's futuristic, because future materials we can't imagine yet make such thin elements possible.

That was actually Matt Jeffries' original intent. He wanted the ship to look impossibly thin to suggest it was significantly more advanced than 20th century technology. He'd have probably loved the idea of the free-floating nacelles of the 32nd century, even if their execution has been a bit mundane.

 

[Mudd]

According to the current timeline, they are doing precisely that.


That's what Doug Drexler calls our monkey brain reaction. We initially think it's flimsy and weak, and that's why it's futuristic, because future materials we can't imagine yet make such thin elements possible.

If things look wrong to people, telling them why it should look right is meaningless. Make up any explanation you like, it doesn't work.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Not necessarily. Sometimes all people want is an explanation that halfway makes sense.

 

[farbeyondthestars]

Lower Decks is clearly doing just that.

Picard even more so, especially season 3.

 

[fireproof78]

Not necessarily. Sometimes all people want is an explanation that halfway makes sense.

If I can think of one then I'm good.

 

[Tuskin38]

Picard even more so, especially season 3.

Season 3 isn't out yet, we don't even have any footage, you mean Season 2?

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Season 3 isn't out yet, we don't even have any footage, you mean Season 2?

I assume the poster is talking about how Picard S3 will reunite the TNG crew and will be very starship based (per Terry Matalas). That being said: is it "mining" TNG when it IS the TNG cast?

 

[Tuskin38]

I assume the poster is talking about how Picard S3 will reunite the TNG crew and will be very starship based (per Terry Matalas). That being said: is it "mining" TNG when it IS the TNG cast?

Oh lmao I somehow missed the 'Picard' in the post I quoted.

 

[Mudd]

I assume the poster is talking about how Picard S3 will reunite the TNG crew and will be very starship based (per Terry Matalas). That being said: is it "mining" TNG when it IS the TNG cast?

Sure.

 

[Sci]

While I'm looking forward to SNW, my issue with it (and DSC before it) is that making a Star Trek show in 2017-22 that takes place in the mid-23rd century, and giving it a more modern update from what we saw in '60's TOS, creates a problem where the technology is really no different from a Trek series (like PIC) that takes place in the 25th century. So now you have two separate Trek shows taking place 150 years apart, but technologically, visually, and story/plot-wise, it all looks exactly the same. If someone who had never seen a Star Trek show in their life were to watch an episode of both SNW and PIC, they'd be hard-pressed to be able to tell what time period each show is set in, other than such things as 'one crew wears a different uniform than the other crew does.'

I don't necessarily think that's a problem though. Technology has been rapidly advancing for much of the modern era, but real history is characterized by long periods of technological stability punctuated by periods of rapid advancement. It makes sense that the period from the 23rd Century onwards might just represent a period of relative technological stability, with advancements being much more gradual than we're used to seeing in our contemporary era.

That was my point. Why bother making a prequel to TOS when it ends up looking like it could take place centuries later? If you’re going to do that, why not just make a show that picks up right where the TNG era left off?

To mine the aesthetics and political setup of the TOS era rather than the technology per se.

 

[mattman8907]

I don't necessarily think that's a problem though. Technology has been rapidly advancing for much of the modern era, but real history is characterized by long periods of technological stability punctuated by periods of rapid advancement. It makes sense that the period from the 23rd Century onwards might just represent a period of relative technological stability, with advancements being much more gradual than we're used to seeing in our contemporary era.

To mine the aesthetics and political setup of the TOS era rather than the technology per se.

i would love for SNW to set the stage for the Romulan incursion seen in 'Balance of Terror". Similar to how Babel One/United/The Aenar (Babel Crisis) was setting the stage for the Romulan war. cause I don't think the Romulans said "you know what it's been a century, let's go cause some ruckus."

 

[Tuskin38]

Back when Discovery was in the 23rd Century, I kinda wanted have the Romulans show up, but similar to how they were done in Enterprise, working behind the scenes (and also blending in with Vulcans). So no one who shouldn't know what they look like would know.

So it would be interesting to see that happened here. It would also preserve the surprise of their appearance in TOS.

 

[Sci]

i would love for SNW to set the stage for the Romulan incursion seen in 'Balance of Terror". Similar to how Babel One/United/The Aenar (Babel Crisis) was setting the stage for the Romulan war. cause I don't think the Romulans said "you know what it's been a century, let's go cause some ruckus."

I'm not sure how they would do that though. In a way, SNW is even more constrained than ENT vis a vis the Romulan, because at least we know from TOS that there was some contact between United Earth and the Romulans in the form of the war. "Balance of Terror" made it clear that there had been no known contact with the Romulans between the war and the events of that episode. If the Romulans are used, they'll have to be used in extremely limited forms -- either the main characters can never know they've encountered Romulans, or they'll never be able to report it to the rest of the Federation. It's not impossible, but I'm not sure this is a set-up that lends itself to good stories.

 

[Tomalak]

I kinda want to see Strange New Worlds, not Romulans again.

And I love Romulans.

 

[DaveyNY]

I'd like to see the SNW Enterprise in a lighter TOS type color.

It's to damn dark for my TOS sensibilities.

I can make do with all the other adaptations, but the color is too depressing.

 

[Mudd]

I don't care whether a single story on this show connects to any event in any other Trek series. In fact, I'd kind of prefer it if it doesn't.

 

[valkyrie013]

Plenty of other aliens other than Romulans and Klingons.

 

[Dukhat]

So…does anybody think we’ll be seeing other Starfleet vessels? Like, what this thread topic was originally about?