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Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™

Works pretty seamlessly doesn’t it

No, it doesn't. I wish it did, but it doesn't overlap with the Refit any better than the Original does.

Swapping the pylons and engines works ok but that is the easy part. The difficulty is explaining why the hull sections don't. "Uh, we shaved a little hull off here and here and built out a little bit of hull here and here, and here." Nope. No amount of pounding will fit that square peg into the round hole. I gave up long ago.

But have fun trying! :lol:
 
Then they wouldn't be honest, because it isn't a reboot.
If it's meant to be in canon, then they needed to keep it in canon with the established story and aesthetic. They tried to have it both ways and call it canon while changing things up on a whim. Which pleased no one.
 
If it's meant to be in canon, then they needed to keep it in canon with the established story and aesthetic. They tried to have it both ways and call it canon while changing things up on a whim. Which pleased no one.

You're confusing canon with continuity. All of these shows are canon. Heck, even the Abrams films that take lace in a different universe are canon.

Now, as for 'continuity,' yes, we can argue that both the story and the aesthetic have changed from both the 60's TOS era and the 80's-2000's Berman era of Trek.
 
It helps to think of it like that bit in BTTF III when Marty moans about 'Clint Eastwood never wore stuff like this' in regards to the 1950s 'Woody' looking cowboy outfit Doc Brown gives him, versus the costuming in The Unforgiven or Tombstone etc.

We're seeing the same stuff, same objects, same tech, the same period portrayed by each production crew's contemporaneous sensibilities, resources and means of production and their allotted budgets.
 
The days of size comparison charts or deck plans having any meaning at all are long gone. Everything's malleable, it's like each show is an adaptation now not a continuation.

I mean, heck, considering how wildly out of scale the Enterprise-D was when it docked with Deep Space 9 in both "Emissary" and "Birthright," how the size of the Defiant seemed to change from episode to episode (and was entirely too small in Star Trek: First Contact), and how the Delta Flyer just really should not have been able to fit inside the USS Voyager's shuttlebay -- I for one am not entirely persuaded that size comparison charts or deck plans ever really had any meaning in the first place. ;)

So much drama could have been avoided if CBS had been honest with the fans and said up front "We're rebooting."

They have been. It's not a reboot. You just don't like their selected instances of breaking with prior continuity. Which is fine, but that doesn't make it a reboot. Literally every single ST series has selectively broken prior continuity though, so DIS and SNW are not new in that regard.

If it's meant to be in canon, then they needed to keep it in canon with the established story and aesthetic.

No they don't. Paramount owns Star Trek, not you. They get to decide what is and is not in continuity and what is and is not canon.

They tried to have it both ways and call it canon while changing things

Which is how it works in many, many canons.
 
I just finished rewatching the Andorian trilogy from ENT S4. Watched it with my partner to teach him about the Aenar, after getting excited on Hemmer's promo.

Being a fan of palette-swap, I remember falling in love with the "white Andorians" immediately, and I was excited when they returned in Star Trek Online. Now we have one as character on an ensemble show! I'm looking forward to SNW and any tie-ins to dive deeper into Aenar culture. Perhaps they could become a playable species in STO, or get us Aenar-themed Andorian ships?

Oooh, and Hemmer action figures? The possibilities are endless.
 
If it's meant to be in canon, then they needed to keep it in canon with the established story and aesthetic. They tried to have it both ways and call it canon while changing things up on a whim. Which pleased no one.


Nope.

You're talking about preferring consistency, which is not how canon has ever really worked. Lots of canon stuff contradicts other canon.
 
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This makes the Enterprise significantly wider and taller than the Excelsior. It could work better with a larger Excelsior, at least 550 meters, but it doesn't quite feel right to me like this.

Pike's Enterprise appears to be about 440 m in length.
 
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