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The Stargate Franchise - A First Timer's Watchthrough

The finale episode is really nice. Not as great as fishing on the pond nice, but it's very nice ending to the show knowing the movie will close up any lose ends.... and has the worst character in Stargate history....

Fucking government idiot making replicators. I've seen the move 3 times, I fast forward through that shit. Just as bad as the fucking dragon.
 
I don't hate the Replicator stuff in Arc of Truth, but it does feel a bit random, like it was just thrown in there to give Cam someone to get in a fight with.
 
The finale episode is really nice. Not as great as fishing on the pond nice, but it's very nice ending to the show knowing the movie will close up any lose ends.... and has the worst character in Stargate history....

Fucking government idiot making replicators. I've seen the move 3 times, I fast forward through that shit. Just as bad as the fucking dragon.

I don't hate the Replicator stuff in Arc of Truth, but it does feel a bit random, like it was just thrown in there to give Cam someone to get in a fight with.

Yeah, the government idiot guy is terrible. However, the worst part of the replicator arc for me is when the skeleton made of replicator blocks comes out of the government idiot and starts marching around. It's silly and a total Terminator rip-off.
 
Yeah, the government idiot guy is terrible. However, the worst part of the replicator arc for me is when the skeleton made of replicator blocks comes out of the government idiot and starts marching around. It's silly and a total Terminator rip-off.

I meant the whole fucking thing, the whole story idea. They supposedly took season 11 and stuck it into a 2 hour movie and wasted 15+ minutes with the worst character in the history of Stargate. And that includes all the horrible sacks of shit on Universe. To me the writers thought they would get a season 11 and didn't have any idea how to do 20 more episodes, so to stretch it out they made useless season 10 episodes for filler. I would have loved for season 11 to open with the Ori storyline being finished off and right at the end of the season opener the Stargate is made public as a huge WTF moment that leads to season 11 being completely different than anything before.

I just realized after tonight I can read 71 pages of spoilers. That's exciting. :D

NO! YOU CAN'T! Some of the spoilers are major Atlantis spoilers. 2-3 pages are just me bitching about the dragon. :lol:
 
I meant the whole fucking thing, the whole story idea. They supposedly took season 11 and stuck it into a 2 hour movie and wasted 15+ minutes with the worst character in the history of Stargate. And that includes all the horrible sacks of shit on Universe.



NO! YOU CAN'T! Some of the spoilers are major Atlantis spoilers. 2-3 pages are just me bitching about the dragon. :lol:

Ok, I can read up to when I started Atlantis. And I look forward to reading your initial thoughts on the Dragon. Sure seemed like a fun conversation. :lol:
 
Ok, I can read up to when I started Atlantis. And I look forward to reading your initial thoughts on the Dragon. Sure seemed like a fun conversation. :lol:

It's literally just us talking about how the sci-fi show became fantasy and how awful the dragon was, excuse me, how awful the fucking dragon was. :)

And yet the spoilers on this page about the movie make the SG1 dragon look like Puff the Magic Dragon, who I love. That's how awful one thing in an otherwise decent movie is.

I honestly wouldn't read the spoilers until you finish Atlantis. I'm pretty sure they sometimes mix in and there are MAJOR Atlantis spoilers around, like BOOM! spoilers.

There are no Univers espoilers as no one gives a damn about that dumpster fire.
 
Family Ties (SG-1)

I can describe this episode in 3 words:

I DON'T CARE!!!!

Three episodes from the end of this series and that's what they come up with? Daddy issues for Vala and Landry? The only scene that was memorable was the very last scene with Teal'c and the Vagina speech, but again, there is an Ori fleet invading our galaxy, we don't know what happened with Merlin's weapon (Yes I know we find out the next episode because Adria is back), and I don't care about Vala's father. In fact, I think Vala might be this shows 7 of 9 (And I like Seven) in terms of overused character. I liked her, but the emphasis for her over the course of this season has been a little too much.
That episode is loaded with bitter in-jokes regarding the cancellation. The most obvious:
"The Stargate program doesn't get the funding it used to."
"Why not?"
"Eureka!"
 
Unending (SG-1)

That was nice. It's not my favorite series finale ever but it was basically one last episode (Minus the movies) with this cast of SG-1 and how they live their lives together. It was a nice spin on the whole moving time thing and then reversing the time dilation field. There were parts where I got a little emotional, such as Daniel's rant to Vala and then realizing how much he hurt her, Sam playing the Cello, and just watching the crew all grow old together. I appreciating that this crew basically became a family. A family that went a little stir crazy, but a family nonetheless. It also was a pretty depressing episode though. The Asgard dying was really sad, and having Thor deliver the news was even more sad but him admitting that humanity had become the fifth race and Sam's hug was really really sweet. I'm glad they were able to save their legacy though. Also, it's rare for a TV show to play an entire song in an entire scene unless it's part of the end credits. That montage during "Have You Ever Seen The Rain" was beautiful.

Was this my favorite finale of the shows I've seen? Not really, but then how do you wrap up over 200 episodes of this series. I almost get a TNG finale vibe out of this one. This crew was a family, they grew closer as a family, and Teal'c, though probably torturous, is serving like a time capsule for those memories. In that end I don't think it was a reset button. I loved the end scene too, which was like the end scene in TNG. The missions don't stop and life goes on.

Season 10 was a decent season, though it was not in my top 5 seasons. I really do think the stuff with the Ori and the Ancients took it's toll the longer this season went on, and this series did get more into the fantastical. I do think it was better than Season 9 though, mainly because the episodes that were great here, were better than the great episodes in Season 9. Also, this season had episode 200 and the Pegasus Project and Talion, which were probably my three favorite episodes of the series. I will also say that the back half of the season, and that included the midseason two parter, felt like a series that was ready to end. I mean 10 seasons of this is a lot, and seeing Jack appear in The Shroud (And his appearence in The Return two parter over on Atlantis) made me miss the good ol' days when Jack was head of SG-1.

I'm going to see the movie tonight and then talk about that and my overall thoughts on SG-1 as a series later on. I'm still formulating my thoughts on it, but my top 5 favorite episodes in Season 10:

The Pegasus Project
200
Unending
Talion
Flesh and Blood

In terms of ranking the seasons from favorite to least favorite:

Season 5
Season 6 (The more I look on various forums, the more I know I'm in a minority on this one. Still, I thought Season 6 the series didn't lose a step, despite the departure of Shanks, and I liked Jonas)
Season 8
Season 3
Season 7
Season 4
Season 2
Season 10
Season 1
Season 9

I'm fully anticipating this to change when I rewatch the series (especially Season 4, which I might feel I misunderstood) but tonight, this is basically my feeling after 9 weeks of watching this series.
 
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That episode is loaded with bitter in-jokes regarding the cancellation. The most obvious:
"The Stargate program doesn't get the funding it used to."
"Why not?"
"Eureka!"

"That's a shame, after all your Stargate Program has done for this network... of planets."

They say the cancellation news came down while they were working on "Bad Guys," but there are a lot of episodes at different stages of completion at any one time, so it's pretty clear that "Dominion" and "Unending" are the first ones where they could actually take it into account (since the changes in "Family Ties" are all stuff that could've happened on the shooting day; no recasting, changes in sets, costumes, just a few lines of dialog). Probably "Unending" is the only one that got anything close to a major revision knowing it'd be the season finale, though I don't remember seeing anything about what an earlier version might've been like. It'd probably be on the DVD commentary, but since I got a blu-ray player, I've been morally opposed to buying stuff that's available in HD on DVD.

There were parts where I got a little emotional, such as Daniel's rant to Vala and then realizing how much he hurt her

You've watched the show fairly quickly, so did you notice that Vala's come-on to Daniel was echoing her trying to seduce him at the beginning of season 9, making him feel sorry for her, then revealing it was a ploy? I only saw it pointed out a little while ago.

A family that went a little stir crazy, but a family nonetheless.

Now, this is the pandemic episode of Stargate. Tag yourself, I'm Carter and the cello. Or, honestly, Daniel and the Asgard database.

I loved the end scene too, which was like the end scene in TNG. The missions don't stop and life goes on.

I was saying in spoilers recently that I really do feel like "Unending," especially the final scene, put a nice button on Daniel's "meaning of life stuff" arc. It's the simple stuff that really matters, even if they are cliches. That's probably why he couldn't figure it all out for ten years, Jack kept stopping him when he came close to realizing something trite but important.
 
In terms of ranking the seasons from favorite to least favorite:

Season 5
Season 6 (The more I look on various forums, the more I know I'm in a minority on this one. Still, I thought Season 6 the series didn't lose a step, despite the departure of Shanks, and I liked Jonas)
Season 8
Season 3
Season 7
Season 4
Season 2
Season 10
Season 1
Season 9

I'm fully anticipating this to change when I rewatch the series (especially Season 4, which I might feel I misunderstood) but tonight, this is basically my feeling after 9 weeks of watching this series.

You like season 7 that much? Interesting. Seasons 7 and 9 are my least favorite. Seasons 4-5-6-8 are my favorites.
 
so did you notice that Vala's come-on to Daniel was echoing her trying to seduce him at the beginning of season 9, making him feel sorry for her, then revealing it was a ploy? I only saw it pointed out a little while ago.

It did seem familiar but that is pretty cool. I've watched so many episodes since that episode it is easy to forget.

Now, this is the pandemic episode of Stargate. Tag yourself, I'm Carter and the cello. Or, honestly, Daniel and the Asgard database.

I can see myself like what they went through the longer this lockdown goes on. I do hope it ends soon. In terms of tagging, I'm probably cam, trying to stay fit and running every day. I have to take walks because my gym is closed. :(
 
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Stargate: The Ark of Truth

The movie did a suitable job resolving the Ori arc. It is hard to go from series to movie and have it be a seamless transition but I think the writers succeeded here. However, as a movie, it was your typical made for TV B-Movie. If I didn't know better I would have thought this would be a Sci Fi Movie, maybe a high budget Sci Fi Movie. The movie does a great job ending as much of the Ori plot as they could. We learn that Merlin's weapon did work, but to convince the armies to stop their crusade, they needed to see the light, and that brings in The Ark of Truth. Once the plot gets going, it's basically non-stop plot all the way through. They travel through the Supergate, travel to Celestus, find the ark and use it to defeat Adria, and Morgan La Fay finally decides it was time to actually do something. I didn't get the John Sheridan moment I was hoping, but the effects on the ark of truth and La Fay and Adria fighting, a la Oma Dasala and Anubis, were really good.

Where the movie fails for me though is bringing back the Replicators. I'm still going to keep an open mind on the Replicators on Atlantis, but when they were revealed here, I kinda rolled my eyes. I get they needed the Odyssey to do something, but going back to the replicator well, again, struck me as Voyager going back to the Borg well, again. They really have become overused. Also, the way they got there was downright stupid. So we have this guy from the IOA come on to oversee this mission, and then he takes matters into his own hands by doing the most stupid thing possible? The IOA oversees the Stargate Program, so read the damn mission reports they had. Yes I did read the spoiler at the top of this page and I do agree, Marrick might be the worst character in Stargate lore. The only reason he was there was to get this plot moving, and the fight with Cam took too long. Also, the whole replicator plot was basically taken out of all the replicator episodes we've had, especially Reckoning, which because of Replicator Sam, they actually made sense in that episode. Then we had Stargate does terminator, and at this point of the movie I really wished they had just stuck with the Ark of Truth storyline.

To that end, I think this movie would have been so much better if they had stuck with the Ark of Truth story and not had the replicators at all. They could have actually used the Stargate more (They only used it for the Supergate, which was disappointing) and we could have had more with Morgan and Adria.

There were other things I liked though. Tomin really came to his own in this movie, and I really liked what Teal'c told him about retribution and feeling guilty for the things he has done. I also really liked Tomin's relationship with Vala here as well. I also liked Tapping's new hairstyle. It looked very different but still really great.

Overall, I would probably give this movie 3 stars out of 5. I enjoyed it and it was very entertaining, but I think the replicator plot brought this movie down some.

SG-1 Overall Thoughts

So until Continuum, that's pretty much it for SG-1 and I'm now focused entirely on Atlantis. I think my season rankings pretty much told the story on my feelings of this series, but overall, I really liked it. I love this kind of story telling, where you have episodic and arc based stories. You have time to develop these characters and you can even have a great recurring cast list. I loved all these characters, especially Jack and Sam, but Teal'c and Daniel were awesome as well. I loved how everyone developed over the course of 10 years, and I even think Browder, Bridges and Black did a great job as the newcomers in the final 2 seasons. I also loved the array of recurring characters this series had, like Jacob, Bra'tac, Ryac, and Thor. Then you had the villians like Apophis, Ba'al, Anubis, and Adria. This series had so much variety in it and the balance between arcs and standalones was really well done.

I think it is hard to rank a series I had just watched in with some of my favorite series of all time. It's best to say that I do plan to rewatch this series, and I do think it will have great rewatchablity, especially picking up things that I missed the first time around. I'm so glad I did this for the last 9 weeks and it's not done because there is still Atlantis. Also, you guys noticed how quick I was going. Well, with nothing else on (Sports mainly), it was really easy to just watch Stargate and only Stargate. It's like getting a book that you can't put down because it is so good. That's what SG-1 was. It was an amazing journey with these likeable characters and a great mythology. I think I had just as much fun watching this as I did with Buffy and Angel last year, but then I'm a fan of these kind of shows. The 90s really were ripe with amazing science fiction and fantasy.

Someone asked me to do a top 10 episodes of the series and that is really hard with over 200 episodes. I think if I were to look through the episode listing, here is what I would come up with, in chronological order:

Within The Serpants Grasp/The Serpants Layer
The Fifth Race
Forever in a Day
Window of Opportunity
2010/2001
Exodus/Enemies/Threshold
Cure
Changeling
Heroes 2
Reckoning/Threads

It's hard to come up with 10 with so many episodes. Ask me tomorrow and it would probably be different, but I do know Reckoning/Threads, The Fifth Race, Changeling, and Window of Opportunity will probably always have a place in my top 10.
 
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Stargate: The Ark of Truth

The movie did a suitable job resolving the Ori arc. It is hard to go from series to movie and have it be a seamless transition but I think the writers succeeded here. However, as a movie, it was your typical made for TV B-Movie. If I didn't know better I would have thought this would be a Sci Fi Movie, maybe a high budget Sci Fi Movie. The movie does a great job ending as much of the Ori plot as they could. We learn that Merlin's weapon did work, but to convince the armies to stop their crusade, they needed to see the light, and that brings in The Ark of Truth. Once the plot gets going, it's basically non-stop plot all the way through. They travel through the Supergate, travel to Celestus, find the ark and use it to defeat Adria, and Morgan La Fay finally decides it was time to actually do something. I didn't get the John Sheridan moment I was hoping, but the effects on the ark of truth and La Fay and Adria fighting, a la Oma Dasala and Anubis, were really good.

Where the movie fails for me though is bringing back the Replicators. I'm still going to keep an open mind on the Replicators on Atlantis, but when they were revealed here, I kinda rolled my eyes. I get they needed the Odyssey to do something, but going back to the replicator well, again, struck me as Voyager going back to the Borg well, again. They really have become overused. Also, the way they got there was downright stupid. So we have this guy from the IOA come on to oversee this mission, and then he takes matters into his own hands by doing the most stupid thing possible? The IOA oversees the Stargate Program, so read the damn mission reports they had. Yes I did read the spoiler at the top of this page and I do agree, Marrick might be the worst character in Stargate lore. The only reason he was there was to get this plot moving, and the fight with Cam took too long. Also, the whole replicator plot was basically taken out of all the replicator episodes we've had, especially Reckoning, which because of Replicator Sam, they actually made sense in that episode. Then we had Stargate does terminator, and at this point of the movie I really wished they had just stuck with the Ark of Truth storyline.

To that end, I think this movie would have been so much better if they had stuck with the Ark of Truth story and not had the replicators at all. They could have actually used the Stargate more (They only used it for the Supergate, which was disappointing) and we could have had more with Morgan and Adria.

There were other things I liked though. Tomin really came to his own in this movie, and I really liked what Teal'c told him about retribution and feeling guilty for the things he has done. I also really liked Tomin's relationship with Vala here as well. I also liked Tapping's new hairstyle. It looked very different but still really great.

Overall, I would probably give this movie 3 stars out of 5. I enjoyed it and it was very entertaining, but I think the replicator plot brought this movie down some.

SG-1 Overall Thoughts

So until Continuum, that's pretty much it for SG-1 and I'm now focused entirely on Atlantis. I think my season rankings pretty much told the story on my feelings of this series, but overall, I really liked it. I love this kind of story telling, where you have episodic and arc based stories. You have time to develop these characters and you can even have a great recurring cast list. I loved all these characters, especially Jack and Sam, but Teal'c and Daniel were awesome as well. I loved how everyone developed over the course of 10 years, and I even think Browder, Bridges and Black did a great job as the newcomers in the final 2 seasons. I also loved the array of recurring characters this series had, like Jacob, Bra'tac, Ryac, and Thor. Then you had the villians like Apophis, Ba'al, Anubis, and Adria. This series had so much variety in it and the balance between arcs and standalones was really well done.

I think it is hard to rank a series I had just watched in with some of my favorite series of all time. It's best to say that I do plan to rewatch this series, and I do think it will have great rewatchablity, especially picking up things that I missed the first time around. I'm so glad I did this for the last 9 weeks and it's not done because there is still Atlantis. Also, you guys noticed how quick I was going. Well, with nothing else on (Sports mainly), it was really easy to just watch Stargate and only Stargate. It's like getting a book that you can't put down because it is so good. That's what SG-1 was. It was an amazing journey with these likeable characters and a great mythology. I think I had just as much fun watching this as I did with Buffy and Angel last year, but then I'm a fan of these kind of shows. The 90s really were ripe with amazing science fiction and fantasy.

Someone asked me to do a top 10 episodes of the series and that is really hard with over 200 episodes. I think if I were to look through the episode listing, here is what I would come up with, in chronological order:

Within The Serpants Grasp/The Serpants Layer
The Fifth Race
Forever in a Day
Window of Opportunity
2010/2001
Exodus/Enemies/Threshold
Cure
Changeling
Heroes 2
Reckoning/Threads

It's hard to come up with 10 with so many episodes. Ask me tomorrow and it would probably be different, but I do know Reckoning/Threads, The Fifth Race, Changeling, and Window of Opportunity will probably always have a place in my top 10.

What did you think about Walter? He IMO is basically the official mascot of the entire Stargate franchise. He has been in ever series.

Jason
 
What did you think about Walter? He IMO is basically the official mascot of the entire Stargate franchise. He has been in ever series.

Jason

I loved Walter. I wish he was in the episodes he wasn't in in the early seasons because he was such the fixture in the control room. It was just weird if it was someone else saying "Chevron 7, Locked". I loved in Heroes where he was the one talking about his job and he tries to add more flair to it.
 
Something to remember about the two movies is that there was an element of behind-the-scenes fun to them. They had some extra time and money to play with, so there was an indulgence in spectacle, and of doing things they'd wanted to do before but couldn't, or felt they could do better, which I think is a big reason for the Replicator subplot in "Ark," or, for that matter, pretty much everything that happens in "Continuum." Looking at it in that light, I think maybe "Moebius" could be regarded as the first part of that trilogy.
 
I loved Walter. I wish he was in the episodes he wasn't in in the early seasons because he was such the fixture in the control room. It was just weird if it was someone else saying "Chevron 7, Locked". I loved in Heroes where he was the one talking about his job and he tries to add more flair to it.

Thanks for the great reviews tomalak301, It is such a shame we didn't get a sequel to SG1.
 
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