The Stargate Franchise - A First Timer's Watchthrough
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As I recall, the NID was a request from the show's Air Force consultants, that they invent a fictional government agency with broad, nonspecific duties and responsibilities and lack of meaningful oversight for their conspiracy plots. Apparently, the Air Force liked the PR-value of SG-1, and thought it'd send the wrong message if they used one of the real government agencies with broad, nonspecific duties and responsibilities and a lack of meaningful oversight as a bad guy.
In fact, unless I am wrong, I don't think the show ever defined what NID stood for.
I'm sure Jack could have come up with a few suggestions.
If I remember correctly, the rpg listed as that (but it made sense anyway)
I was curious and did a quick search and apparently it was just "NID" with no definition from the show but the RPG gave it as that. I mean, it fits very well, but it definitely fits in if the USAF wanted a fictional agency for them to be against.
So how long was Apophis the Big Bad? I had always assumed it was just the first two or three seasons, and Anubis took his place for the rest of the Goa'uld arc, but @tomalak301 is still referring to him in his season 5 posts.
And I always felt it was a pretty limp death. Last seen aboard his ship, with all sorts of options available to him (like ring-transporting to the ground) and NO ONE WITNESSED HIS DEATH? The characters were too quick to write him off.
Honestly, for me Apophis had worn out his welcome a season or two earlier. I would have been happy if the last we'd seen of him was his body being returned to Sokar, or maybe Heru-ur getting the better of him.
He was just such a one-dimensional bad guy in almost all of his appearances that I found it difficult to care much whether he lived or died.
But if he had died for good in "Serpent's Song", that really would have been leaving on a high note. No pun intended.
He was just such a one-dimensional bad guy in almost all of his appearances that I found it difficult to care much whether he lived or died.
But if he had died for good in "Serpent's Song", that really would have been leaving on a high note. No pun intended.
I thought it was fun when he dropped by later on in alternate timelines, or in Teal'c's hallucination when we learned his greatest fear was that Apophis actually was God, and when Teal'c died, he'd send him to Hell for defying him.
Desperate Measures
So Simmons is the NID now, and there is a Goa'uld in his custody. I liked the episode, but I'm not sure I like where this is heading with this rouge organization and the conspiracies it's telling. I almost get the feeling this show is trying to do too much at the moment, with the Tok'ra, Osiris, what just happened with the Tallon and Tanith, and the NID on the backs on the SGC wanting to get Goa'uld information themselves. Also, I know I'm about a compare a show that is airing now with a show that ended 15 years ago, but I'm a little tired of rouge government agencies and Star Trek: Discovery might have made me feel that way, which ties back into SG-1 in that we have another rouge government agency. Also, Simmons is basically the replacement for Maybourne at this point. I do still like the jabs and banter between Maybourne and Jack, but I just feel like there is so much happening on this show at the moment that things might start to get spread too thin.
So Simmons is the NID now, and there is a Goa'uld in his custody. I liked the episode, but I'm not sure I like where this is heading with this rouge organization and the conspiracies it's telling. I almost get the feeling this show is trying to do too much at the moment, with the Tok'ra, Osiris, what just happened with the Tallon and Tanith, and the NID on the backs on the SGC wanting to get Goa'uld information themselves. Also, I know I'm about a compare a show that is airing now with a show that ended 15 years ago, but I'm a little tired of rouge government agencies and Star Trek: Discovery might have made me feel that way, which ties back into SG-1 in that we have another rouge government agency. Also, Simmons is basically the replacement for Maybourne at this point. I do still like the jabs and banter between Maybourne and Jack, but I just feel like there is so much happening on this show at the moment that things might start to get spread too thin.
Personally, I was not super interested in the NID arc because I don't care much for conspiracy theory storylines. But without giving anything away, I will say that the relationship between Jack and Maybourne becomes quite interesting as the series progresses.
In the next episode, "Wormhole X-Treme!", try to pick up all the self-parody jokes.
Also, you are getting closer to the epic mid season two parter, "Summit" and "Last Stand". It's another big season arc two parter. And the second half of the season (from "Summit" to the finale) is quite strong IMO with several strong episodes back to back until the amazing finale.
This is a Stargate question I have never asked but I feel this is a good place. Does everyone prefer planet episodes were they fight G'ould or aliens or the more earth based stories on the show? I feel like early on I was more of a offworld fan but feel like I really enjoyed what they did on Earth based episode to a point where at this point I think they were my favorites. Or when they combined them like in the episode were Jack and Tea'c are stuck in the glider flying off into space.
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Personally, I prefer the off-world episodes compared to the Earth based episodes. But I did love the episode where Tealc and Jack are stuck in the glider in space and I love the space based episodes with the Tokr'a and spaceships.
That would kind of be considered off-world though. Also, it led to bigger things for the overall arc. As for @Jayson1's question, I like when the show is actually about the Stargate and who they meet because of said stargate. One of the reasons why I was very luke warm on Desperate Measures is because it feels like that story could be done on any other show, just change things around with the Goa'uld and stuff like that.
Wormhole X-Treme
That might be the craziest thing I see this year. I think the only bad thing about it was the NID being involved and they interrupted the parody flow, but everything else was gold. This was an episode that made fun of itself (Air Force consultant, every facial expression Jack had was priceless), and other sci fi shows and movies (The X-Files, Star Trek, Galaxy Quest). There was so many gags it's just easy to say this entire episode was one big self parody. I also realized it was the 100th episode so knowing a little bit about the 200th episode, I am very much looking forward to that. It was nice to see Martin back involved again. He's a fun character.
That might be the craziest thing I see this year. I think the only bad thing about it was the NID being involved and they interrupted the parody flow, but everything else was gold. This was an episode that made fun of itself (Air Force consultant, every facial expression Jack had was priceless), and other sci fi shows and movies (The X-Files, Star Trek, Galaxy Quest). There was so many gags it's just easy to say this entire episode was one big self parody. I also realized it was the 100th episode so knowing a little bit about the 200th episode, I am very much looking forward to that. It was nice to see Martin back involved again. He's a fun character.
I prefer off world to Earth, largely because the government agencies become tiresome over time.
However, given the fact that Stargate started with "Ancient Aliens/"Chariots of the Gods?" type conspiracy style theories the shadowy government agency was inevitable.
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