Spoilers The Ships of Lower Decks

[Michael]

This ridiculing or criticism of differing/dissenting opinions really should stop. Happening all over these boards.

If you feel you or someone else is being ridiculed by another poster, hit the report button. I don't know why you would bring it up here of all places.

To make one thing clear, though: opinions themselves are generally free to be discussed, disagreed on or even made fun of, as long as the posters' who are expressing these opinions are being treated with respect and within the board rules. In general I found that when it comes to interactions on the board it's not what you say, but how you say it. If we're all being grown-ups in these conversations it will ensure an atmosphere where almost every opinion can be expressed.

So again, please let's not discuss this here. Contact me via PM if you feel the need for further explanation, or hit report on posts you want the mods to have a closer look at.

 

[Ronald Held]

Shouldn't the California class ships be somewhat modular, depending on whether it is engineering support, medical, etc?

 

[BillJ]

Shouldn't the California class ships be somewhat modular, depending on whether it is engineering support, medical, etc?

Probably modular on the inside, to allow changes in mission profiles. They might be seen as the Connies of their day, with massive mission flexibility, but it doesn’t show on the outside.

 

[valkyrie013]

So in the Medical, the 562 Ops rooms are medical rooms!
and in the Command version, all the communications specialist Ops give up there quarters to vip quaters!

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

OK, so the first time we see a shuttle leaving the ship and it comes out of....absolutely nowhere.

 

[Michael]

OK, so the first time we see a shuttle leaving the ship and it comes out of....absolutely nowhere.

Hm, maybe those four indents on the underside of the saucer are shuttlebay doors after all? Certainly looks like it emerges from one.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Hm, maybe those four indents on the underside of the saucer are shuttlebay doors after all? Certainly looks like it emerges from one.

Looks more like it came from the topside of the saucer to me, but you could be right.

 

[fireproof78]

Looks to me like it drops from the bottom of the saucer.

 

[Noah_23]

Personally, I still think almost certainly that the shuttle bays are those dark rectangles on the aft "corners" of the saucer. I just don't think their ship CG/Animation model has a version with open doors/functioning animation, in order to show this directly. So they've just decided to be vague about where they come from, rather than show them physically open.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Personally, I still think almost certainly that the shuttle bays are those dark rectangles on the aft "corners" of the saucer. I just don't think their ship CG/Animation model has a version with open doors/functioning animation, in order to show this directly. So they've just decided to be vague about where they come from, rather than show them physically open.

They are more like doors, albeit small ones. We just haven't seen a shuttle going into, or coming out of, anyplace specific.

The MSD shows shuttles in the rear, but it makes no sense compared to where all the windows and impulse engines are.

Yeah, vague like the Discovery's torp launchers.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I’ve been rewatching Discovery S2 and Disco’s forward torpedoes definitely seemed to launch out of the front of the nacelles. When they launched Ariam’s coffin, it resembled a torpedo casing, like Spock’s, and they sent it out of the same aft tubes that the scout pods were launched from. It stands to reason weaponized torpedoes are sent from here as well. They are clearly multi-purpose launch facilities, at least in the rear.

 

[Timo]

The scaling of that shot allows us to believe in all possible flight trajectories: from behind the saucer towards the camera, from the bottom of the saucer, or from the front of the saucer. That is, it would be perfectly possible to interpret this as the shuttle emerging from the rim door, the door then slamming shut, the shuttle dropping down a bit (for whatever reason), and the camera only at that point beginning to record the action...

Why the shuttle takes that fancy path is a question we perhaps shouldn't ask. But clearing the ship's hull doesn't appear to play a big part in that.

(That assorted stuff gets shoved out through the rear of NCC-1031 is IHMO counterindication to this being a torpedo tube. That is, torpedo launchers supposedly exist for a reason, this reason not being merely "a hole through which torp-sized things can exit", or else no ship would have a torpedo launcher and would merely dump torps out of shuttle doors.

The DSC hero ship probably does have genuine torpedo launchers, as we see her firing torps. And having those near the nacelles is a good idea, because it gives excellent cones of fire - but possibly also because torps supposedly are loaded with the same stuff the engines burn, and the related machinery might best be citadel-protected rather than spread out.)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Kpnuts]

It looks like it comes out of absolutely nowhere because it does. They don't care about this sort of minutiae. Fans having to explain away issues as usual.

(Unlike say, the Star Wars franchise where every design decision is agonised over.)

 

[Michael]

(Unlike say, the Star Wars franchise where every design decision is agonised over.)

It is? I'm just a casual Star Wars viewer, but those ships dropping bombs in space (!) in “The Last Jedi” were pretty damn stupid. Someone “agonized” over that shit?

 

[Tuskin38]

It is? I'm just a casual Star Wars viewer, but those ships dropping bombs in space (!) in “The Last Jedi” were pretty damn stupid. Someone “agonized” over that shit?

X-Wings fly around like they’re WW2 fighters. That’s just how Star Wars works.

 

[Michael]

X-Wings fly around like they’re WW2 fighters. That’s just how Star Wars works.

Oh, I understand that. And I don't get worked up about things like that or let it diminish my enjoyment of it. I just want to contest the notion that Star Wars' effects and designs are somehow incredibly well thought out, whereas Star Trek's producers for some reason allegedly “don't care”. That's just nonsense.

 

[Saul]

I’ve been rewatching Discovery S2 and Disco’s forward torpedoes definitely seemed to launch out of the front of the nacelles.

Wow, not a great place to put torpedoes.

 

[Tuskin38]

Mistakes happen. Remember when the Enterprise D fired a phaser out of the Torpedo tube, or a tractor beam (or some other deflector beam) out of the phaser array?

I mean both were fixed in the Blu-ray release, but still.

 

[Kpnuts]

It is? I'm just a casual Star Wars viewer, but those ships dropping bombs in space (!) in “The Last Jedi” were pretty damn stupid. Someone “agonized” over that shit?

Why is it damn stupid? Putting aside the ignorant whining The Last Jedi narrative that likes to tell people it is.

Capital ships in Star Wars go in-atmosphere, where gravity is a thing. Makes sense to design them with that in mind. As for dropping them in space, that’s how bombers work in SW, whether you fire them in one direction (forward) or another (downwards).

And yes, every design detail is meticulously thought through in SW. It’s clear that that isn’t the case in Discovery.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Wow, not a great place to put torpedoes.

Mistakes happen. Remember when the Enterprise D fired a phaser out of the Torpedo tube, or a tractor beam (or some other deflector beam) out of the phaser array?

I mean both were fixed in the Blu-ray release, but still.

It could be argued that the Disco's torpedoes derive power directly from warp plasma to give it power, as opposed to possessing an antimatter payload.

Then again, it could be just a simple mistake and I'm just pulling wild rationalizations squarely out my ass. I am a starship nerd, after all...