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The Romulan Supernova: The final, canon word

Holy shit, did Chabon see my Trek Imponderables videos on YouTube?:lol:

Holy shit, did Una McCormack see my supernova destruction radius graphic (which was 14 light years but close enough)?:lol:
Hell, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Chabon was a lurker here on these boards. If I recall correctly, both Kirsten Beyer and Una McCormick have posted here in the past.
 
Took a break as the mod suggested. That break's over, and you have sincere questions so I'll answer. But to be honest I don't really have anything more to say that I haven't already said.

It was in reference to the poster who made personal accusations about irrational attachments to a game, and outright unleashed personal attacks such as "you're so full of yourself" which you can see on this very page.

Also, I have worked with Professors Perlmutter and Smoot while I got my Engineering Physics degree at UC Berkeley (I was class of 2005, so this is before they won their Nobel Prizes). Most of what I say is just due to years long Physics training, including with supernovae (look up Perlmutter and his research), now admittedly only partially remembered (this was over 15 years ago), and my own continuity nerd desire to see works like the 2009 film's intent be preserved as closely as possible. @valkyrie013 made good points that with a natural supernova, Spock may have no reason to create a black hole anymore as the radiation already was released past the event horizon of any black hole he'd create.

Not much else to say on this topic. To be honest after the personal attacks I've had to endure (the quote on this page for example), I'm not really in a mood to discuss things further and I'm rather horrified those haven't been more forcefully called out upon. As such, I'd rather not have any questions asked of me on this topic unless someone finds it really pressing for some reason.

Do we really imagine real physics have any bearing on Star Trek science?
 
The novel states that everything in a 10 lightyear radius would be destroyed which looking at the star charts is only a small part of their Empire. They had 6 years to relocate their capital but their arrogance stopped them doing anything until the last minute.
Frankly, they don't deserve to be saved.
The book indicates that Nimbus III was one of the planets that needed to be evacuated which doesn't make that sense on the charts since it's easily out of the blast zone, on the edge of the neutral zone. They will need to relocate that planet for future editions.
 
Do we really imagine real physics have any bearing on Star Trek science?
They preferably would at least somewhat. So if the plot works with a normal(ish) supernova, then that is preferable to unnecessarily making up magical superluminal novas. But real physics were not in dispute anyway, so I really don't think anyone's physics degree is at all relevant, and person bringing such up certainly was not arguing anything based on real physics, unlike they claimed.
 
The novel states that everything in a 10 lightyear radius would be destroyed which looking at the star charts is only a small part of their EmpireThey had 6 years to relocate their capital but their arrogance stopped them doing anything until the last minute.
Ten LY around their home star would be likely to include most of their oldest and most densely populated colonies.
Frankly, they don't deserve to be saved.
That's fucked up morals. They're living sentient beings, they deserve to be saved.
 
The novel states that everything in a 10 lightyear radius would be destroyed which looking at the star charts is only a small part of their Empire. They had 6 years to relocate their capital but their arrogance stopped them doing anything until the last minute.
Frankly, they don't deserve to be saved.
The book indicates that Nimbus III was one of the planets that needed to be evacuated which doesn't make that sense on the charts since it's easily out of the blast zone, on the edge of the neutral zone. They will need to relocate that planet for future editions.
Perhaps the Romulans wanted Nimbus-III evacuated for ulterior motives?
 
Yes, it is screwed up.
Are you talking about the Nimbus 3 location? To my knowledge it was never given a defined galactic spot? In any case, technically unless we know Nimbus 3 is gone on screen, it's not canon.

The main question now is whether the other systems were even affected by Spock's black hole. As noted, if the event horizon didn't reach the radiation already released, the black hole did very little good.
 
The novel states that everything in a 10 lightyear radius would be destroyed which looking at the star charts is only a small part of their Empire. They had 6 years to relocate their capital but their arrogance stopped them doing anything until the last minute.
Don't you mean the "non-canonical novel?"
Frankly, they don't deserve to be saved.
First of all, wow. Just... wow. Seriously?

Even Spock's Unificationists? The people who are actively advocating for a return to logic and peaceful behavior? Even the average man on the street who is just trying to get by and has no say in matters of Senate and governance? The parents who worry about putting food on the table for their families? The children at play? NONE of them deserve to be saved?

Yeah, that is monumentally messed up.
 
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Don't you mean the "non-canonical novel?"i,
First of all, wow. Just... wow. Seriously?

Even Spock's Unificationists? The people who are actively advocating for a return to logic and peaceful behavior? Even the average man on the street who is just trying to get by and has no say in matters of Senate and governance? The parents who worry about food on the table for their families? The children at play? NONE of them deserve to be saved?

Yeah, that is monumentally messed up.

Rather, especially since it is made quite clear that it is not the elites who suffered but rather the masses of people left behind by the inadequate evacuation measures. That denunciation would punish the victims.

(Part of me really hopes that the Romulan Free State was founded in the aftermath of a bloody revolution against the incompetent and inadvertantly autogenocidal elites of the old Star Empire.)

Anyhow. A sphere of ten light years drawn from Sol would include, among major Federation worlds, only Alpha Centauri. Beyond that, the nearest Federation world might be Andor, ~10.5 light years away, if it orbits Procyon.

It does seem as if the core worlds of Romulan space were considerably closer to each other than Federation core worlds are. Perhaps Romulans picked a star cluster, or other dense astrography, for their civilization?
 
Don't you mean the "non-canonical novel?"i,
First of all, wow. Just... wow. Seriously?

Even Spock's Unificationists? The people who are actively advocating for a return to logic and peaceful behavior? Even the average man on the street who is just trying to get by and has no say in matters of Senate and governance? The parents who worry about food on the table for their families? The children at play? NONE of them deserve to be saved?

Yeah, that is monumentally messed up.
LoL! You do know it’s not real right? I was just being silly. Spock got his people out. They weren’t as stupid as the others.
I know the novels are technically non canon but this was written to be a precursor for the series. It would be rather pointless if the information within it wasn’t relevant for the series at hand.
 
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