The Romulan Supernova: The final, canon word

[rfmcdpei]

No, I couldn't tell you were being silly.

More than that it's very strange to say "Let em die" and then brush it off. There's no context clues to make that make sense.

At the very least, you need emoticons. (That is why I began using them: They convey the sort of information unavailable elsewhere.)

The whole catastrophe, the death of billions of people because of the incompetence of one polity aggravated by the failures of another, is in any case very difficult to make light of.

 

[fireproof78]

At the very least, you need emoticons. (That is why I began using them: They convey the sort of information unavailable elsewhere.)

The whole catastrophe, the death of billions of people because of the incompetence of one polity aggravated by the failures of another, is in any case very difficult to make light of.

Indeed. Human communication is mostly non-verbal, not just in the text. In text it loses so much of the information and makes sarcasm all the more difficult to convey. Especially when it starts out as super serious and then shifts rather drastically and then, "Ha, just kidding."

It's like this:

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[DaveyNY]

Obviously, Jean-Luc didn't agree with the assessment that ANYBODY should be left to die.

That's kinda-sorta what the whole premise of the show revolves around.
Duh..

 

[thribs]

Obviously, Jean-Luc didn't agree with the assessment that ANYBODY should be left to die.

That's kinda-sorta what the whole premise of the show revolves around.
Duh..

But yet no mention of Remans. Picard obviously doesn't care about them. Racist #######!

 

[DaveyNY]

But yet no mention of Remans. Picard obviously doesn't care about them. Racist #######!

Maybe they all got eliminated already by the vengeful Romulans?

Or maybe the Remans packed up and decided to leave after the incident with Shinzon.
They flew the coop when the getting was good.

 

[rfmcdpei]

Indeed. Human communication is mostly non-verbal, not just in the text. In text it loses so much of the information and makes sarcasm all the more difficult to convey. Especially when it starts out as super serious and then shifts rather drastically and then, "Ha, just kidding."

It's like this:

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I am inclined these days to consider emoticons just another form of punctuation, at least in certain fora. They convey needed information.

 

[fireproof78]

I am inclined these days to consider emoticons just another form of punctuation, at least in certain fora. They convey needed information.

Indeed. It is very helpful.

 

[DaveyNY]

Just in case anybody hasn't noticed yet...

I'm an Emoticon Junkie...

 

[Yistaan]

Maybe they all got eliminated already by the vengeful Romulans?

Or maybe the Remans packed up and decided to leave after the incident with Shinzon.
They flew the coop when the getting was good.

Considering we now have no clue on what exactly happened with the supernova and only Romulus was ever explicitly stated as destroyed onscreen, for all we know Remus survived. In fact, considering how many people say that replacing a sun with a black hole means saving a planet, by this same logic there's a very good chance Remus survived (although again my opinion is that this makes no scientific sense, but unfortunately I got all sorts of personal attacks on that).

At this point Remus should just be a big question mark in canon until something on screen confirms or denies its survival. And I would like to see some Remans who aren't cookie cutter villains to be honest.

 

[DaveyNY]

Considering we now have no clue on what exactly happened with the supernova and only Romulus was ever explicitly stated as destroyed onscreen, for all we know Remus survived. In fact, considering how many people say that replacing a sun with a black hole means saving a planet, by this same logic there's a very good chance Remus survived (although again my opinion is that this makes no scientific sense, but unfortunately I got all sorts of personal attacks on that).

Man ... just can't let it go can ya.

I prefer to think that the Remans split after the incident with Shinzon.
Just cause they knew that things were going to be on the downhill slide for them.

 

[fireproof78]

Replacing the sun with a black hole would allow for more time to evacuate, thus saving Romulan lives. I don't think anyone stated that it meant saving the planet-only that it meant buying more time.

Regardless, as stated, we have no idea exactly what happened. We just know it didn't work and Romulus was destroyed.

 

[Timo]

For all we know, fifty-eight different things were tried, Spock being responsible for forty-seven of those, and all of them failed, dooming Romulus over and over again. By the time we join the adventure, he has already resigned to the unthinkable and is going to let Romulus die, but his last harebrained plan will still save the "galaxy", that is, the general neighborhood.

Also, it will be a suicide mission: not only is Spock risking his life personally braving the supernova, but he can guess folks like Nero will be waiting. And yet he goes.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Yistaan]

For all we know, fifty-eight different things were tried, Spock being responsible for forty-seven of those, and all of them failed, dooming Romulus over and over again. By the time we join the adventure, he has already resigned to the unthinkable and is going to let Romulus die, but his last harebrained plan will still save the "galaxy", that is, the general neighborhood.

Also, it will be a suicide mission: not only is Spock risking his life personally braving the supernova, but he can guess folks like Nero will be waiting. And yet he goes.

Timo Saloniemi

Don't forget the irony that since the supernova already happened, him putting a black hole out and stranding the remainder of his life with Steve Trevor and Sylar was for nothing (as the radiation likely already went far beyond the event horizon of the black hole to irradiate other systems like possibly the Nimbus system).

In fact, creating the black hole did no good and in fact allowed Nero to wipe out Vulcans in another universe. Poor Spock. He no doubt spent his last years contemplating this. But hanging out with Sylar was cool

Oh, and Nero's a southern Romulan.

 

[Spot261]

They preferably would at least somewhat. So if the plot works with a normal(ish) supernova, then that is preferable to unnecessarily making up magical superluminal novas. But real physics were not in dispute anyway, so I really don't think anyone's physics degree is at all relevant, and person bringing such up certainly was not arguing anything based on real physics, unlike they claimed.

Once we get rid of time travel, FTL, Q, various other superbeings, transporters, engineered neutronium, telepathy, solid holograms, force fields, downloadable souls and, well, all the stuff that makes Trek more fantasy than sci fi this might make me more inclined to accept criticism based on real science.

In the meantime if the poster wants a realistic black hole there's a film called Interstellar.

 

[Timo]

Don't forget the irony that since the supernova already happened, him putting a black hole out and stranding the remainder of his life with Steve Trevor and Sylar was for nothing (as the radiation likely already went far beyond the event horizon of the black hole to irradiate other systems like possibly the Nimbus system).

Oh, I think he was better off than that. He wasn't creating ordinary Walmart-quality black holes, after all. After Nero dropped some of Spock's red stuff into Vulcan, FTL starships that had previously been in stable orbit above the world were now at risk of getting pulled in; somehow the pull and reach of the planet's gravity had increased significantly, far beyond what the mere compacting of mass would provide. Ditto when, in the boss fight, the canister blew and sheer vacuum turned into an Enterprise-defeating sucker.

For all we know, the hole Spock created at Romulus was big and powerful enough to suck back the radiation wavefront. I mean, it sucked in his superfast FTL spacecraft, too!

Indeed, the actual problem I could see here is the major disruption Spock's superhole would cause in regional gravity, with neighboring star systems and their surrounding matter clouds possibly affected.

Oh, and Nero's a southern Romulan.

But he's trying to compensate with tattoos.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[DaveyNY]

Don't forget the irony that since the supernova already happened, him putting a black hole out and stranding the remainder of his life with Steve Trevor and Sylar was for nothing (as the radiation likely already went far beyond the event horizon of the black hole to irradiate other systems like possibly the Nimbus system).

In fact, creating the black hole did no good and in fact allowed Nero to wipe out Vulcans in another universe. Poor Spock. He no doubt spent his last years contemplating this. But hanging out with Sylar was cool

Oh, and Nero's a southern Romulan.

Laris would still have slapped him upside the head.

 

[rfmcdpei]

Laris would still have slapped him upside the head.

"Cheeky fecker."

 

[NCC-73515]

As fans of German fun punk know, it was never a supernova that destroyed Romulus, it were soundwaves. And that's my canon since 1997. The Federation might THINK it was a supernova though

Saving humanity with music, he became a Commander!!

In the meantime if the poster wants a realistic black hole there's a film called Interstellar.

I read they took out all doppler shift effects cause they thought the audience wouldn't understand what they're seeing XD

 

[Paul Weaver]

Why do people assume Spock didn’t deliberately cause the super nova? That would explain why Nero was so mad.

What we see and hear from Spock is just spocks word. Can we trust him?

 

[Longinus]

Why do people assume Spock didn’t deliberately cause the super nova? That would explain why Nero was so mad.

Because Spock is not a manic mass murdered?

What we see and hear from Spock is just spocks word. Can we trust him?

Yes.