The Romulan Supernova: The final, canon word
- Thread starter F. King Daniel
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Yes. Picard is batting 1.000 in retconning all my fan wank concerns about ST09
Bumping this for the convenience of those keeping the neverending supernova fun alive in the Michael Chabon thread.
As long as Spock still did his thing then the details are less concerning. I know nothing about STO and never read Countdown.
Then it all probably makes much more sense to you!
Seems like it.
@Longinus I'm not quite sure why you keep insisting it's STO or whatever that is the basis of criticism when it comes down to honoring the intent of Nimoy's performance.
Again, there's a huge difference between what Nimoy genuinely believed he was saying as Spock "promised to save their planet" and the implications of Picard retconning that performance beyond all recognition into something like "buy a month before the planet freezes and maybe we'll have enough ships by destroying your sun."
This is Nimoy's penultimate Spock performance we're talking about, it's pointless to turn it into something it was never intended to be. Yet I don't understand why people are eager to alter Spock's final prime universe act so drastically.
It was intended as some bullshit to justify putting Nimoy on that film and rebooting the timeline. No need to overthink it. We don't know what Spock's exact plan was, but he did the best he could given the circumstances.
It's overthinking it by making it anything other than Spock's exact words in the movie "I promised the Romulans that I would save their planet."
And it is possible that was the plan. To stabilise the star. But he was too late. None of that convoluted STO nonsense is needed.
Probably because it doesn't alter Spock's intent or effort as presented in the film. His effort is still heroic, he is still doing a last ditch effort and the plan goes horribly wrong.
It alters Nero's and his entire crew's intent though if Spock never promised them much other than "Your planet will still freeze, maybe this will buy time but we still don't have a fleet". Why would they wait 25 years for him (that Klingon imprisonment stuff is noncanon) instead of punishing the Federation for their abandonment immediately?
As I mentioned before, I have a physics degree and worked with 2 Nobel laureates at Berkeley National Laboratory, did undergraduate supernova research myself, and I never heard of a black hole stabilizing a supernova back into a star. That's pure fanon, and even more nonsensical that Star Trek Online which at least had CBS approval (despite all being noncanon).
Have you heard of red matter creating black holes or supernova explosions proceeding faster than light? The red matter is nonsensical macguffin. We can easily say that a small amount administered certain way stabilises the star for a while and a larger amount administered another way created black hole. It doesn't make any less sense than it already does.
And as I said already in the other thread, you're just irrationally attached to the STO timeline. It doesn't matter, it doesn't match Picard anyway. As Fireproof demonstrates, this is only an issue to the people who have their head messed with this non-canon nonsense in the first place. Forget it.
People died. That's why.
Nice you ignore my exact words repeated multiple times. I myself saw Nimoy in 2006 in person and he was a big influence in my life.
We're done here. You want to repeat false personal comments, you know what the next button I'll click is.
One has nothing to do with the other. Picard doesn't change Nimoy's intent or the scene in question.
The point is moot now until we watch more of the show and see if the supernova is detailed further. If the rest of season 1 definitively states it was Romulan sun, then Spock was indeed just performing a stalling for time operation. I did notify Chabon and he admitted it was an error with a cheeky #trekimponderables tag, so it's on their radar for season 2 if they didn't write themselves into a corner in season 1.
He did not admit it was in error, and you're so full of yourself by 'correcting' the writers.
It doesn't change intent, no matter what
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