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Spoilers The Orville: New Horizons Season 3 Discussion
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17 light years an hour? Pretty fast.. 285 days to cross the galaxy..
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He tends to do a little bit of everything, too. Even if you don't like one particular franchise he's built, he has others that might suit your tastes. His productions always have great music, though, IMO.
Watching the pilot episode again, the initial tone was so odd, especially the antagonistic relationship between Mercer and Grayson. It's very much like TNG where the first season feels like a different show where they were trying to figure things out.
With automation and advanced tech it might be possible, Sooner or later everyone wants to have a purpose in life. The social pressure is something that likely didn't start off being their but as more and more people start to take advantage of the system it likely started to grow.
I agree with Jayson1. The majority of people are not "lazy". Most want to do something with their lives, but the reality of the world suffocates that urge because we need to make money to live our lives. In a world where that "reality" does not exist people are free to do what makes them feel worthy even if it is not something that is considered desirable in our current world. If someone wants to paint designs for ceramic plates for their life, then they can do that. If they want to spend their life playing guitar on a street corner then they can do that and can actually become a really good guitarist. All of the people with physical/psychological disadvantages can live a rewarding life that makes them happy.
Just because skills are not valued in a capitalist society, does not mean they would not be valuable in a world where money is not valued.
Just because skills are not valued in a capitalist society, does not mean they would not be valuable in a world where money is not valued.
Indeed. I already consider myself lucky as someone doing a job I like a lot, but I know exactly what I’d do if money wasn’t a part of the equation.
What is UBI?
Universal basic income.
Ah, thank you.
While I agree nobody should be without basics like food, clothing, shelter, etc., I am against the idea that I or anyone else has to work for people who do not want to do anything with themselves.
Why should I have to work hard just so other people can get everything they need and not lift a finger? That's not fair.
Grayson is right... at least try to be a guitarist, or researcher, or artist, or a waiter. Even things like just beta testing games. Something. Anything other than just take the resources you are given and not even attempt to do something.
It's one thing to work to help people in need (the homeless, disabled, elderly, etc.), but it's quite another when you have to work because others don't want to do anything. That's called 'gaming the system', something that a LOT of people in the U.S. do. I'm sure that's true for other countries that have welfare systems and the like in place.
While I agree nobody should be without basics like food, clothing, shelter, etc., I am against the idea that I or anyone else has to work for people who do not want to do anything with themselves.
Why should I have to work hard just so other people can get everything they need and not lift a finger? That's not fair.
Grayson is right... at least try to be a guitarist, or researcher, or artist, or a waiter. Even things like just beta testing games. Something. Anything other than just take the resources you are given and not even attempt to do something.
It's one thing to work to help people in need (the homeless, disabled, elderly, etc.), but it's quite another when you have to work because others don't want to do anything. That's called 'gaming the system', something that a LOT of people in the U.S. do. I'm sure that's true for other countries that have welfare systems and the like in place.
Season 3 of THE ORVILLE was awesome. I loved seasons 1 and 2, but this was just a couple levels above and beyond.
The stories, the following up on previous adventures, the morality plays within them... just excellent, all the way through.
(One thing I was always happy Seth never brought in were transporters. I think he knew that would bring in too many loopholes and solutions and story minefields to handle.)
I sincerely hope we get a fourth season, but if we don't, "FUTURE UNKNOWN" is a great way to close out the show... at the top.
The stories, the following up on previous adventures, the morality plays within them... just excellent, all the way through.
(One thing I was always happy Seth never brought in were transporters. I think he knew that would bring in too many loopholes and solutions and story minefields to handle.)
I sincerely hope we get a fourth season, but if we don't, "FUTURE UNKNOWN" is a great way to close out the show... at the top.
The thing is that in a society like Orville/Star Trek, you would not be working "for" people -- whatever you are doing is just for the betterment of society and self-fulfillment. If people want to bead clothes and jewellery or paint ceramic plates and give them away, that is still a betterment of society.
Of course resources mean less once you get replicators and also have access to resources to other worlds as well. One of the beauties of this system is even the most lazy person still is not a drain on the system in anyway. Said person might be annoying to others who are actually making the world better but said person also isn't hurting anyone or taking anything away from others.
In a STAR TREK or ORVILLE world, I agree totally. I was commenting on the current world and my thoughts on why that would not be fair to others and why it simply won't work now.
Indeed. I believe strongly in personal responsibility. Star Trek and Orville all paint a pretty picture that might work someday. But, for now, I don't trust it.
That was the point of the history lesson (aka. sledgehammer) that Kelly is explaining. Earth = society not ready and that would destroy itself if it had replicator technology.
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