The One Thing You Could Change, VOYAGER Edition...

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by Farscape One, May 14, 2020.

  1. Bry_Sinclair

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    Because the Miranda-Class is the workhorse of the Federation, it's been around for a century and still actively engaged in frontline combat as well as scientific research and all manner of other functions, making it a highly versatile ship with a larger crew complement and actual space for a small flotilla of shuttles.
     
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  2. TimeIsAPredator

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    I don't need to Google anything I remember it well. Firstly Desks was a Cardie spy not Maquis and Sunder was an actual psycho. What I am looking for is a ship that had crew who liked to do things a bit different and had views on the job that were not like every other SF crew a bit like DS9 where we had people like Garak and Kira who had a different attitude and MO to SF crews but all we got with VOY was Torres pulling some old Maquis trick out of her ass to evade an enemy ship or beam people up from time to time. Old Maquis tricks became Voyagers version of the aligning the deflector.

    Chuckles in Scorpion was the one time in 7 years where I felt that he was anything but a generic SF number 1
     
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  3. Angry Fanboy

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    Also how old could any given Maquis trick be anyway? The Maquis had only been around a couple of years!? :)
     
  4. TimeIsAPredator

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    Ha I never even though of that
     
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  5. garakvsneelix

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    And what about those who understand that it wasn't about Voyager, but think, that it should have been? I mean, for not being about the Voyager, the episode took a lot of time to show us what's going on with the crew...
     
  6. Tenacity

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    With the Voyager, when the ship would get into a bad situation, Janeway had the option of muscling her way out. Take that away.
    Interesting idea.
    And what would the stories be about? Endlessly watch people reuniting with their families? A few time would be okay, but would get repetitious fairly quickly.

    As a aside, from watching the multiple series I've never gotten the impression that there was a "Federation Society."
    Problem was it was just another use of the magic reset button, a place the production team had gone too many times before. If this had been the first time (and the last time) the reset button had been used it would have been significant, instead of being old news.

    Once again, no consequences.
    It goes to things just being too easy, the crew intergrates, the holodecks work just fine, limited replicator use that isn't really a problem, endless torpedoes and shuttles.

    People have brought up nuBSG, we saw people struggling to survive, running out fuel, actually starving because the food was used up. Voyager will just casually get some more.

    Kazon show up again, meh no problem, it isn't like someone is going to die or anything. How about the Kazon knock the replicator out for a season. And it has a serious effect on the crew?

    Briefly putting the Maquis to the side, how about Janeway has to deal with some of the starfleet personnel's enlistments running out?

    No it isn't about making Voyager into a exact copy of nuBSG. I (and others) aren't suggesting a mutany every episode, but have two groups of people who basically don't like each other who have to co-operate because they really have no choice in the matter. Not suddenly become best friends by the end of the pilot.

    The Maquis have solid reasons not to like Starfleet, and to continue not liking them.

    When Janeway said she couldn't have a ship with two crews, Chakotay should have immediately responded with that's exactly what she had.
    Her importance was the character kept the show in production. Seven didn't get pushed to the front solely as a decision of the producers, she resonated with the audience, otherwise she quickly would have become a secondary character.

    Otherwise Jeri Ryan wouldn't currently be a part of the show that she is.
     
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    *sighs*

    They overblew her attractiveness. How important she was to the story was irrelevant when my friends are demanding her be in every single frame. Yes, that's a ridiculous reason but I was 13 at the time and my friends were insufferable.
     
  8. Angry Fanboy

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    Voyager being an older, less powerful ship would have been interesting, although how powerful a ship is is obviously arbitrary and relies on the writers portraying it a certain way.

    I never got the impression Voyager was particularly powerful - advanced and fast certainly but not anything like the Enterprise-D in terms of offensive capability. Voyager had what, forty odd photon torpedoes starting out versus 250 carried by the Enterprise?
     
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  9. Dukhat

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    There’s all kinds of interesting stories they could tell. As I mentioned before, Janeway would be facing the fact that her former lover is now with another woman. Chakotay and Belanna would possibly face jail time for their criminal actions. Tom and his father would start reconciling with each other. As was shown in PIC, people were not too thrilled with XB’s, so Seven would be facing discrimination and possibly threats. Tuvok would return to his wife and children. The Doctor would be studied by Federation scientists and become even more important to hologram rights. The ship would be studied and its tech replicated to upgrade other ships. And all of them would have to decide whether to continue their futures in Starfleet or go in some other direction.

    All of these things are far more interesting than yet another season of Voyager visiting some Delta Quadrant aliens-or-planets-of-the-week that nobody really cares about.
     
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  10. jmidnight_99

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    But you're not 13 now, and It amazes me that you can't move past this. I do understand though. I have been a ST fan since the days when I was 13 and TOS was in heavy reruns. Years later when TNG came out, all my friends and acquaintences loved it and sqwaked about it incessantly, and for that reason, I refused to watch it. I got sick of listening them fawn and swoon about it. Thankfully, I eventually moved past it. TOS didn't get replaced for me, the ST family just got bigger.

    I can't imagine Voyager without Seven, or at least a similar character, because above all of these suggestions for changes, the show could not go on without it. Every ST series had characters that were complicated, and in conflict with themselves; and most of the time they were alien characters. Spock was deeply conflicted. Data and Worf the same. Odo, Kira, and Worf again Seven and the Doctor, the same. Before the addition of Seven, this was missing from the main cast. Like each of the series, the human characters in Voyager just aren't interesting enough to carry a character-driven show.

    And As I've said in other threads, Neelix and Kes just couldn't carry their weight as the forefront aliens. Writers complained they coudn't find anything interesting to do with Kes, and I can see that. Ethan Phillips is a mediocre actor, and he played Neelix as an obnoxious boob 90% of the time. The character of Neelix had so much unrecognized potential. Tuvok was a Vulcan, but we'd been there and done that. That leaves the human characters.

    So the Seven character was crucial for this show. She could be both the protagonist and antagonist, and she was struggling to regain her humanity and individuality. Early on, she felt it unbearable to be an individual. Like Data and Spock and Odo and Kira, Seven gave the characters many interesting things to write about.

    AND JERI RYAN COULD ACT. In one scene where she is experiencing multiple personalities, she take on the personality of a woman looking for her Star Fleet officer son. The scene just moved me because it was so believeable.

    Why let your 13 year old self, and your 13 year old friends take this from you?

    Says you. I love those stories. What you have here isn't science fiction or a good story like "Workforce" What you have here are minor sub-plots... you know... the stuff that pads the episode and happens between scenes. You want closure, and maybe I do too... but no one would produce this because no on would watch it.
     
  11. Dukhat

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    Says you. (Yeah, I can do that too.) I stand by what I wrote. I would much rather have had a season of good character development and closure than a season full of aliens that I couldn’t give a crap about.
     
  12. jmidnight_99

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    The episode told us the story of a man obsessed with restoring his civilization, who for centuries executed his precisely calculated plans in vain, who failed to realize the answer was in his hands all the time, from the perspective of Voyager.

    What happened to Voyager was for effect.
     
  13. jmidnight_99

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    I can't evn be bothered to read this rhetoric. And FYI: Your avatar is argubly the most boring Star Trek character since Chekov. Just saying, Chuckles.
     
  14. jmidnight_99

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    Yeah I guess you can. Have you considered turning off Star Trek and turning on One Tree Hill? All characters, no aliens.
     
  15. Dukhat

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    Have you considered that my viewing habits and preferences are my own business?
     
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    Because I've tried.
     
  17. Agony_Boothb

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    I think Voyager needed to take the stick out of it's arse and be a lot more swashbuckling, and for Janeway to be a lot more open to doing things the maquis way. Also i think the Delta Quadrant needed to be better distinguished from the other quadrants. It should have been the freaky, weird cousin to all of the other quadrants. A deadly part of the galaxy filled with space monsters, dangerous anomalies, god-like beings and very few aliens that looked mostly human. It should have a terrifying and wonderous part of the galaxy, but it just felt pedestrian and it never felt like Voyager was in any danger.
     
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  18. Tenacity

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    Being introduced to new aliens and visiting new worlds and new civilizations is a part of Star Trek I personally enjoy, It's one of the wonderful things about the show that modern Trek seems to have discarded.
     
  19. Angry Fanboy

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    Absolutely this. The majority of episodes could have taken place within or near the Federation - Voyager was always pristine, well supplied and fully operational other than the rare notable exception.
     
  20. TimeIsAPredator

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    At least they done a better job than DS9 which suffered from a big lack of imagination in regards to the GQ in the early seasons