The One Thing You Could Change, VOYAGER Edition...
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That's what it is at times, but it just highs and lows, and that's not what I expected when I read all the articles. So, it didn't keep me engaged and then Seven came along and all my friends were obsessed with her and I just gave up.
Yes, really.
What's your point though? Because there's more of something that makes it better. The Big Bang Theory ran for twelve years so that must be better than The Office (UK) which only ran for two years? Some soap opera that has been on the air for forty years can't learn anything from The Wire because that only ran for five years?
That's a very, very faulty premise in my opinion.
So those who didn't like the ending were just too dumb to understand it? Very poor argument...
I think they did every now and then, at least for the first few years. They weren't lost so much as stranded.
Someone was saying that there wasn't enough stories about the Maquis... I counted episodes that dealt with the Maquis either directly or indirectly, and It turned out to be a hair under 10% of the episodes.I'll bet a similar number of episodes deal with their isolation one way or another is higher than you think.
And you are probably right but the problem as I see it is that none of it felt like it mattered. A prime example is Paris and Chakotay. By the end of the premiere all that bad blood is shrugged off even though Paris had betrayed Chakotay. Even when VOY touched on it it felt like it carried no weight.
After the first few episodes youde never think it wasn't a full Starfleet crew you were watching
Base the show onboard an older Miranda-Class ship, rather than the newest and most modern vessel in the fleet.
I'd have considered making Janeway something other than the captain. For example have Cavitt be the captain and him be killed when the ship was hit by the displacement wave. Have Janeway be the science officer and third in command and have to step up when the captain and first officer were killed.
Absolutely. By the end of the premiere they're all stood on the bridge in their Starfleet uniforms and that's pretty much that.
If I could only change one thing about VOY, it would be to have them come home at the end of the sixth season, and the seventh and final season would be all about how they reintegrate back into Federation society. Endgame was a complete waste of time as far as the payoff the audience got about the ultimate fates of these characters.
That's the way I feel. TNG for as many great stories that came out of it felt like a luxury cruise ship in space. Voyager had a much more dynamic crew.... not that some improvements couldn't be made (Seven was a major improvement) . Tuvok became my favorite Vulcan. But Vulcan's were no longer the cool new alien that could drive every scene and be the focus of countless storylines. Tuvok was a supporting member of the main crew, like Troi, and I bet if I tallied up the minutes Tuvok and Troi-centric episodes and scenes, they'd be pretty similar.
It didn't keep you engaged... because why? And your friends became obsessed with Seven and you gave up why? Because the stories were bad? The acting was bad?
My point is clear. The franchise endures because of what it is. "BSG" didn't endure (failed) because of what it was. Modelling something sucessful after something unsucessful is the faulty premise. Bad? Good? subjective. I have no intererst in killing the franchise by emulating something that no one watched... bad, good, or indifferent. You're a bright guy. Yu already know this.
The story was about a man who for hundreds of years sought to restore his civilization and by doing so, his wife. Calculation after calculation, excursion after excursion, coming within a hair of perfect, only to have to start all over again. The ironic twist in the story is that all he needed to do is destroy his weapon with itself. There was only one ending, it was there from the beginning of the story. The story was NOT about what happened to Voyager. People don't like that everything was restored. That means they don't understand the story, and think it was about Voyager. I can't help this.
This is bull. Google the list of episodes yourself, and count how many in the first seasons dealt with traitors, seska, Maquis crew, Lon Suder, etc. I don't understand why you would want to watch a crew not integrate for seven seasons. It isn't good, and it isn't Star Trek.
What?
Who said 7 seasons?
What seems to be missed is the idea that taking an idea from BSG means emulating the whole premise. Which is false.
The characters didn't engage me. I didn't care what happened by the end because I was not invested in the characters.
I gave up because Seven of Nine bored me to tears and my friends overblew her importance.
You don't need to condescend to me thanks, I'm all set without a random on the internet calling me bright...
Voyager definitely would have benefited from a pinch of BSG. Something not 'enduring' as long as something else doesn't mean it is a poorer premise or is poorly executed.
Is the near universally aclaimed Breaking Bad a poorer product for lasting five seasons against something that lasted six? Again, it's just a faulty argument on your part.
You don't need to condescend to me thanks, I'm all set without a random on the internet calling me bright...
Voyager definitely would have benefited from a pinch of BSG. Something not 'enduring' as long as something else doesn't mean it is a poorer premise or is poorly executed.
Is the near universally aclaimed Breaking Bad a poorer product for lasting five seasons against something that lasted six? Again, it's just a faulty argument on your part.
I love it.... "it's just a faulty argument on your part"... you guys can dish it out. "You don't need to condescend to me thanks" but you don't like it returned to you. Modeling something that is successful after something that is unsuccessful is the faulty premise. Go find me a successful person that will argue with that statement.
"That's what it is at times, but it just highs and lows, and that's not what I expected when I read all the articles. So, it didn't keep me engaged and then Seven came along and all my friends were obsessed with her and I just gave up."
It didn't keep you engaged because the articles were wrong? And then Seven came along and because she was popular with your friends, you decided she was boring and gave up? I think I see. Why, pray tell do you visit a Voyager forum? I don't like Discovery, Actually it disgusts me, I don't visit the forum and piss on it.
I'm not trying to piss on VOY. I enjoy discussion, and this is a thread about what I would change.
You're coming across as pretty hostile. Is everything okay?
It might be worth remembering that we're all just a bunch of nerds on a Star Trek message board - it's really not worth getting wound up over a difference in opinion.
Because I enjoy the distraction of talking about Star Trek (in this case VOY) with strangers on the internet.
No one is 'pissing on' VOY - we're just having a chat about aspects we think could have potentially been improved.
This Star Trek show that's been off the air for nearly two decades doesn't need you to angrily defend it from some geeks who think it could have benefited from being a bit more like the 2003 BSG. VOY isn't going anywhere and won't be harmed or affected by what's being discussed here.
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