The One Thing You Could Change, VOYAGER Edition...

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Voyager' started by Farscape One, May 14, 2020.

  1. Dukhat

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    As was shown in PIC, there are active Borg transwarp conduits still in existence.
     
  2. fireproof78

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    If I knew I had a way out then maybe.
     
  3. Tenacity

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    But Picard is in the same alternate universe as the Abrams movies. They both have the same ridiculous destruction of Romulas in 2387.
    While in the final TNG episode of All Good Things, the planet Romulas still exists in the year 2395.
     
  4. Dukhat

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    What are you talking about? PIC takes place in the prime universe, the same as VOY. The future segment of All Good Things was an alternate future that was erased after that episode. And what does AGT have to do with anything?
     
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  5. Tenacity

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    Picard doesn't happen in the prime universe, it happens in the same universe as the three Abrams movies.

    The Borg network in STP has no baring on the network (likely destroyed) in Voyager.
     
  6. FederationHistorian

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    But they use prime universe Spock in the Abrams movies.
    The same prime universe that Picard, Riker, Troi, and Seven are from.

    AGT is a different timeline that was erased. And not the only future timeline erased either.
     
  7. Dukhat

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    It most certainly doesn’t. The destruction of Romulus happens in the prime timeline. Prime Spock tries to stop it and gets thrown into the Kelvin timeline. But back in the prime timeline, Picard is assembling his fleet to rescue the Romulans before Romulus is destroyed.
     
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  8. Farscape One

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    PICARD does occur in the Prime universe.

    The Romulans are scattered all over and their Empire is gone. Why else do you think all that occured? The nova was mentioned in dialogue. The attempt by Picard to rescue them ended up not happening due to the androids getting hacked by the Zhat Vash. Then Romulus gets nova'd.

    STAR TREK: PICARD happens in the Prime universe.

     
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  9. suarezguy

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    Very tough choice between my top 3 wanted changes
    -Make Janeway less of a stickler for always following and insisting on following protocols and regulations, more open to flexibility both within the crew and in interacting with aliens
    -Make the crew, especially Chakotay, less (nearly) always-deferential to Janeway, more challenging of controversial decisions
    -Make Neelix a lot less annoying and a lot more competent and actually helpful
     
  10. Tenacity

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    Didn't that get Chakotay sent to his room in Scorpian?
     
  11. jmidnight_99

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    I agree on all counts.

    We all want character deveopment... but I think in reality, such things have to happen between the lines of a more action-based story. What if... Voyager made it back mid-season, but some major enemy made it back with them... the Borg... whatever... and the rest of the season dealt with Earth needing to defend itself. It could have kept the ship in commision for a while after they got home, and the rest of the season could have dealt with this while all the loose ends were cleared up.
     
  12. jmidnight_99

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    Points 1 and 2 aren't Star Trek. Roddenberry didn't want humans fighting humans,and I fully agree with this.

    A weak leader throws out the rules when they become inconvenient. Anyone who has been in a position of command will tell you that this is the first step to a breakdown of discipline. And, it is the job of trained officers to obey orders, not improvise. I'm glad none of these things happened, because it isn't Star Trek. When I was a kid I watched TOS in awe. This would have made me watch in disgust... it's generally why I don't care for other sci-fi series.

    You're spot on about Neelix though... the character has SO much unrealized potential. His scenes with Tuvok were meant to be funny and they barely worked. He just came off as an obnoxious boob every time he spoke. He wasn't believable wth Kes, he had no chemistry with any of the other actors. Phillips is a terrible actor, and I blame him for this. Every part I've seen him in he plays the same stuttering boob. Neelix was Neelix because of the way Phillips portrayed him, and because he was so bad, they didn't bother to write for him.
     
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  13. jmidnight_99

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    • This is the third time you've called him Chuckles after making fun of his avatar. Warning for trolling.
    Chuckles is too negative and condescending, I don't think I'd enjoy it.. But thanks for the visual!
     
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  14. jmidnight_99

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    Someone here is saying how they wish the fnal season of Voyager could have shown the characters reuniting with their families, reintegrating, resolving, and so on. I suggested that such types of character development plots would probably have to exist between the lines of a more action based story.

    "Year of Hell" was a story about a man obsessed with restoring the colony where his wife lived, by restoring his society. He spent centuries performing the tedious calculations, and then turning his weapon on various people places and things, only to fail The items weren't simply destroyed, the weapon erased them from history, and by doing so, erased the effect they would have had on history.

    The irony was, when the weaponed was turned on itself, the weapon itself was erased from history, and so was it's effect on history. Because it never existed, it never existed to erase all the things it erased from history. Therefore everything it ever touched would be as it was. Annorax's society, and his colony was restored, because the weapon never existed to do the damage in the first place.

    I don't care if you like it or don't like it. What I care about is that you don't see this as a story about Voyager fighting Annorax, getting the shit kicked out of it, and then getting magically restored by the end of the episode. Because that is really simple. It's like reading "Moby Dick" and seeing it as a story about a man hunting a whale.
     
  15. jmidnight_99

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    • I've asked you in the past to not spam threads with multiple posts in a row. I've noticed you still have a habit of doing this; five in a row here alone. C'mon. This also nets you an infraction for spamming.
    Strangely enough... It wasn't until my second time through Voyager it started to really "gel" for me. The first few seasons had some really wierd episodes, and the crew is a little rag-tag. But it did become my favorite ST. It wasn't my favorite ST when I watched it the first.. or even second time through. I really just thought it was weird and surreal.. at least the first few seasons of it.

    I had no idea there was this big "Seven's Tits" controversy until I got here. Of course I never knew there was a "Wesley Crusher" controversy until I found the internet. Oh well, I like them both.
     
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  16. Akiraprise

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    This is the third time in this thread alone you've called him Chuckles after making fun of his avatar. Infraction for trolling.
    Everyone else keep the posts about the topic. Thanks.

    I've also asked you in the past to not spam threads with multiple posts in a row. I've noticed you still have a habit of doing this; five in a row here alone. C'mon. This also nets you an infraction for spamming.

    Back to topic. Thanks.
     
  17. garakvsneelix

    garakvsneelix Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    But what let you think, that I don't see it? Is it really impossible, that someone sees exactly this and wants to change exactly this, because he/she didn't like it in this way?
     
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  18. Coffeenebula333

    Coffeenebula333 Ensign Newbie

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    Right?? Harry had the most minimal character progression of the main crew. Kes's story arc was much more interesting and yet they just made her internally combust to make way for their new female lead in Seven.
     
  19. TimeIsAPredator

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    While doing a quick Google on Harry I came across that weird scene where he is married to Tom and kes daughter
     
  20. Coffeenebula333

    Coffeenebula333 Ensign Newbie

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    Oh yeah...Man, that was a weird one. None of it was very convincing and felt pretty stifled as far as I remember.