Which means we have not been very observant. The Eugenics Wars took place 1992-1996, so WWIII was earlier; I have no memory at all of these events. And since Khan appears to be around age 30-35 in Space Seed he would have been alive when that episode was first aired, thus he could have viewed his future self on TV. (Playing fast and loose with known history in this manner kept me from enjoying Space Seed or "The Wreck of Korn".)
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Which means we have not been very observant. The Eugenics Wars took place 1992-1996, so WWIII was earlier; I have no memory at all of these events. And since Khan appears to be around age 30-35 in Space Seed he would have been alive when that episode was first aired, thus he could have viewed his future self on TV. (Playing fast and loose with known history in this manner kept me from enjoying Space Seed or "The Wreck of Korn".)
All your examples are correct except this one. If you watch Bela Oxmix play pool he clearly isn't following any rules we are familiar with, moving the cue ball with his hand and hitting other balls directly with the cue. I always assumed this was a deliberate choice by the filmmakers to show gaps in the extrapolation.
Possibly. But I always thought he was just taking random shots, a display of studied nonchalance while talking to Kirk. Though, to my recollection (been a while since I've seen that episode), we never actually see anyone playing pool; so it's open to interpretation.
(In that vein I recommend the satirical "Motel of the Mysteries". In the far future an archeologist, with no knowledge of our culture, unearths a mid-twentieth century motel and assumes it to be an ancient burial crypt, so assesses everything he finds from that viewpoint.)
The obvious out is to accept that the Iotians are not 1920s Chicago Mobsters for real.
That is, their culture is not at the level of the 1920s United States. It is at a level that allows them to play LARP that more or less faithfully reproduces the Chicago Mobs. And that probably means they are as much above the 1920s as today's LARPers are above the medieval cultures they play.
Just like the fake medieval world of Organia had automated doors (or, more accurately, illusions of doors that did not come with illusions of heralds pulling them open, although of course our heroes would have assumed there was a man behind each door), Sigma Iotia is full of slight but telling inaccuracies. The henchman Kalo for example knows how transporters behave, despite never having seen them in action. And a culture that is inherently local is here stretched to global dimensions without appropriate adjustments in transportation and communication.
If it's just playacting, as we have every reason to think, then it is automatically exempt from having to make sense, least of all technological sense. It's just a game the players take extremely seriously. They don't just get contaminated, they grab the contaminant and rub it all over their bodies, then manufacture more of it in their labs so that they can add it to their cereals and cigarettes, too.
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That is, their culture is not at the level of the 1920s United States. It is at a level that allows them to play LARP that more or less faithfully reproduces the Chicago Mobs. And that probably means they are as much above the 1920s as today's LARPers are above the medieval cultures they play.
Just like the fake medieval world of Organia had automated doors (or, more accurately, illusions of doors that did not come with illusions of heralds pulling them open, although of course our heroes would have assumed there was a man behind each door), Sigma Iotia is full of slight but telling inaccuracies. The henchman Kalo for example knows how transporters behave, despite never having seen them in action. And a culture that is inherently local is here stretched to global dimensions without appropriate adjustments in transportation and communication.
If it's just playacting, as we have every reason to think, then it is automatically exempt from having to make sense, least of all technological sense. It's just a game the players take extremely seriously. They don't just get contaminated, they grab the contaminant and rub it all over their bodies, then manufacture more of it in their labs so that they can add it to their cereals and cigarettes, too.
Timo Saloniemi
The Iotians are extreme cosplayers? Using the mob book as their technical guide?
He's right you know, this is the Mirror Universe.
Could well be, but I'd say another equally depressive version than the one seen in the series!
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Sorry...I haven't read the whole thread. Did we cover Kirks greatest most egrigious PD violation is in Omega Glory???
"I just told them what their documents really mean!!"...Who the **** asked you to do that??? And even then he's wrong! It DOESNT apply to all people! So let me get this right Kirk....you just presumed to tell them what their most sacred document "really" means...based on your schollllarrrrrly recollection??
"I just told them what their documents really mean!!"...Who the **** asked you to do that??? And even then he's wrong! It DOESNT apply to all people! So let me get this right Kirk....you just presumed to tell them what their most sacred document "really" means...based on your schollllarrrrrly recollection??
The document applies to everyone even the Kohms if you want the fighting to stop and allow both cultures to become the one! And that's what Kirk was trying to show Cloud William! And he did say the holy words would be obeyed! 
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Unless their version of the Constitution specifically mentions Yangs by name and omits the Khoms..or paints them in a negative light, then Kirk was 100% on target about calling out the injustice of the Yangs' misinterpretation of the document.
Regarding "who asked him to", he did two cultures a favor they lacked the insight to do for themselves. Even at that point, no one knows if the Yangs followed through on Cloud William's vow.
It's not Kirks place to "push for anything". And this BS of his, "I'm just showing them the light"...how is that any different from landing on pre-warp planet and saying "HI!!! IM FROM THE STARS!!! WE HAVE A SPACESHIP!! ALIENS ARE REAL!!"
He would just be 'telling them the truth'. He interfered. Plain and simple. Just like when he saved Julie Newmar in Friday's Child. I've changed my mind. THAT is the most blatant PD violation. Because it set in motion a complete regime change.
But hey! I'm all about a Federation willing to look the other way when Kirk swings things in their favor. JJ Abrams would have had Kirk busted down to janitor for that just to deconstruct him.
The damage had already been done by the crew of the Exeter and especially Captain Ronald Tracey who had suffered from a mental breakdown during his time down on Omega IV! 
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