Oh, I like that. Thanks for posting.
The scale is still off, though. The PK through the shuttle's window looks like it's miles away, when it should be filling the whole view! TOS-R was the same.
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The scale is still off, though. The PK through the shuttle's window looks like it's miles away, when it should be filling the whole view! TOS-R was the same.
Where the hell are you buying your blurry series from. New releases on blurry for full season shows (that's currently 22 episodes) go for 45-70 dollars typically in the US. BSG sold for over 60 when it came out, from sites like amazon, places like Walmart, target best buy.
Now years later you can see some steep discounts and sale prices that get shows lower like two season of BSG are 19.99 on amazon for a small period of time, but they will go back up.
The only bluray shows I see in the normally 30-40 period are shows that did half seasons or less, meaning shows that produced 13 or fewer episodes a season. Or full season comedies, roughly the same as a 13 episode hour long.
Walking Dead 26, for six episodes
Downton Abby 30 for ten episodes
Sherlock 26 for three episodes
Games of Thrones 45 for ten episodes
Tons of examples.
Now with services like Amazon in the first year of release most shows at some point will get a hefty discount. A show that might for most of the year sell for 50 will drop to 39 for a few weeks, ect.
And network shows tend to sell a little cheaper. Cable and syndication shows all tend to sell at higher prices. Cable often being per hour very expensive even with sale prices.
And all the Bluray tv series currently out are just released on bluray. They don't spend a months doing new technical work before they can release them. Both TNG and TOS had excessive new expenses that other don't have.
Seriously based on your post I think you are confusing DVD with BluRay
X-Files the tv show isn't released on BluRay and when it came out on DVD sold for 99.99 it took years and going to smaller sets before the price of the X-Files DVD dropped. Now they are cheap, but it's been over a decade.
Stargate has only released Stargate Universe season sets on BluRay, Atlantis is buy all or nothing currently, and SG1 has never been released on Blu-Ray.
If you are just talking about DVD prices, for the last five or so years Trek on DVD I have found between 39 to 55 per season, on stores like Walmart.
Both Trek and XFiles come out for roughly the same price. Locally at 100 a season. XFiles changed their releases, made them smaller and dropped the prices. I don't think Trek has ever changed how they were originally packaged for any of the series.
And even with DVD you will find Cable shows to still generally be more expensive or close to it when they come out. Look at Camelot, Borgias, Game of Thrones, Sherlock, first season when it came out of Downton Abby, Walking Dead, Empire, ect all have episodes counts from as low as three episodes to no more then 13 and can retail for anywhere between 20 - 40 dollars. All of Trek except ENT and TOS had 26 episodes a season, TOS averaged more then 26 episodes a season. ENT averaged 24 which is still more then most US full season network shows.
Both Trek and XFiles come out for roughly the same price. Locally at 100 a season. XFiles changed their releases, made them smaller and dropped the prices. I don't think Trek has ever changed how they were originally packaged for any of the series.
And even with DVD you will find Cable shows to still generally be more expensive or close to it when they come out. Look at Camelot, Borgias, Game of Thrones, Sherlock, first season when it came out of Downton Abby, Walking Dead, Empire, ect all have episodes counts from as low as three episodes to no more then 13 and can retail for anywhere between 20 - 40 dollars. All of Trek except ENT and TOS had 26 episodes a season, TOS averaged more then 26 episodes a season. ENT averaged 24 which is still more then most US full season network shows.
Yeah...Fringe, SGU, Smallville...you can get them for $20 on sale and they're usually ~$40.
Oh, I like that. Thanks for posting.
The scale is still off, though. The PK through the shuttle's window looks like it's miles away, when it should be filling the whole view! TOS-R was the same.
Yeah, but perhaps the shuttle windows could be both a window and a viewscreen...so maybe Decker reduced magnification.
Anyway, that's how I would have enjoyed seeing TOS-R being remade. CGI that really nailed the details of the 60's effects (lighting, physicality of the models, etc), but at the same time cleaned them up and made them look like they were higher budget for the time.
If you haven't seen Darren's work before, you can check out more of it in the ST:TMP Directors Edition. He was part of the team who created some new CGI effects for that movie that matched the look of the original effects.
Yeah, I've got the TMP Director's Cut DVD. I really like what they did with that.
before/after
nice comparisons with before/after closeups
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nice comparisons with before/after closeups
Star Wars is a drug? Remastered Star Trek:The Next Generation reveals in-joke
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Demand.
Blu-ray season set pricing & TNG-R
prices are all (USA) Amazon for Blu-ray season sets for reference discussion:
Band of Brothers $56. (10 year old series)
The Pacific $55. 2 year old series
Game of Thrones: The Complete First Season (2011) $45.
The Sopranos: The Complete First Season (2009) $24.
all under 13 episodes for a season
ABC Network:
Lost: The Complete Sixth and Final Season $45.
Lost: The Complete First Season $29.92
Lost: The Complete Collection 6 seasons (36 Blu-ray discs) $237.99
Grey's Anatomy: The Complete Fourth Season $36.99
24 episodes/season
CBS Network:
CSI: Crime Scene Investigation - The Ninth Season (2009) $63.49
CSI: Crime Scene Investigation: The Complete First Season [Blu-ray] $60.99
NCIS: Los Angeles - The First Season 2010 $46.99
24 episodes/season
These are all a comparison but Lost's 6 seasons going for $237. a couple years after it ended should give you an idea of $39./season for a complete series cost for ABC so you can expect Trek to be double. Why is CSI so much more per season? Considering they haven't released any other CSI season sets and just released a 1-episode Blu-ray for a 7-year-old season 5 2-part episode directed by a famous director for $15. shows they are not selling a lot and CBS Home video does not want to put money into manufacturing and releasing the physical Blu-ray discs.
Yes. Ian Keldon have you seen HBO's original series on Blu-ray costs?
prices are all (USA) Amazon for Blu-ray season sets for reference discussion:
Band of Brothers $56. (10 year old series)
The Pacific $55. 2 year old series
Game of Thrones: The Complete First Season (2011) $45.
The Sopranos: The Complete First Season (2009) $24.
all under 13 episodes for a season
ABC Network:
Lost: The Complete Sixth and Final Season $45.
Lost: The Complete First Season $29.92
Lost: The Complete Collection 6 seasons (36 Blu-ray discs) $237.99
Grey's Anatomy: The Complete Fourth Season $36.99
24 episodes/season
CBS Network:
CSI: Crime Scene Investigation - The Ninth Season (2009) $63.49
CSI: Crime Scene Investigation: The Complete First Season [Blu-ray] $60.99
NCIS: Los Angeles - The First Season 2010 $46.99
24 episodes/season
These are all a comparison but Lost's 6 seasons going for $237. a couple years after it ended should give you an idea of $39./season for a complete series cost for ABC so you can expect Trek to be double. Why is CSI so much more per season? Considering they haven't released any other CSI season sets and just released a 1-episode Blu-ray for a 7-year-old season 5 2-part episode directed by a famous director for $15. shows they are not selling a lot and CBS Home video does not want to put money into manufacturing and releasing the physical Blu-ray discs.
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My rental copy of 'The Next Level' arrived so I've finally had a first-hand look (and listen), just to skip through a few scenes. I'm planning on watching it on an HD projector with surround sound shortly, which should be excellent.
Anyway, quite aside from the brilliant picture quality, the first thing I noticed was how much deeper and slower the audio was! Then I realised, for years and years of UK TV broadcasts and DVD viewings that I'd been victim to the dreaded 'PAL speed-up', completely unaware of how much faster and higher pitched these shows were being presented. Only now, at their original 24fps, am I seeing and hearing the correct speed.
I was honestly shocked by the difference. I've been watching TNG recently so it was still fresh in my mind. All the characters sound really deep-voiced, I could barely recognise them. The title music actually sounded quite a bit better, more like the movie theme on which it's based. I've been hearing it slightly sped up and higher pitched all these years and it always sounded a bit 'cheap'.
Never mind the picture quality, the biggest adjustment is going to be the audio! I'm not sure I could switch back and forth between them easily. It's all or nothing from now on!
Re: visual changes. The CGI Enteprise at the start of 'The Inner Light' didn't look too bad in motion and in the context of the episode. It wasn't especially distracting, and if they can improve upon it further for future releases, I probably won't even notice. That said, the brief glimpse of the four-foot model looked fine, detail and all, so I don't mind what they do. Either way, it's clear as a bell and has never looked better.
I'll settle down to watch them all properly soon.
Anyway, quite aside from the brilliant picture quality, the first thing I noticed was how much deeper and slower the audio was! Then I realised, for years and years of UK TV broadcasts and DVD viewings that I'd been victim to the dreaded 'PAL speed-up', completely unaware of how much faster and higher pitched these shows were being presented. Only now, at their original 24fps, am I seeing and hearing the correct speed.
I was honestly shocked by the difference. I've been watching TNG recently so it was still fresh in my mind. All the characters sound really deep-voiced, I could barely recognise them. The title music actually sounded quite a bit better, more like the movie theme on which it's based. I've been hearing it slightly sped up and higher pitched all these years and it always sounded a bit 'cheap'.
Never mind the picture quality, the biggest adjustment is going to be the audio! I'm not sure I could switch back and forth between them easily. It's all or nothing from now on!
Re: visual changes. The CGI Enteprise at the start of 'The Inner Light' didn't look too bad in motion and in the context of the episode. It wasn't especially distracting, and if they can improve upon it further for future releases, I probably won't even notice. That said, the brief glimpse of the four-foot model looked fine, detail and all, so I don't mind what they do. Either way, it's clear as a bell and has never looked better.
I'll settle down to watch them all properly soon.
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The next collection of blu-ray screencaps is up at TrekCore. Check out our coverage for "Sins of the Father" http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/thumbnails.php?album=2
As exciting as this all is, I can't say I'm looking forward to seeing Code of Honor in HD. 
The next collection of blu-ray screencaps is up at TrekCore. Check out our coverage for "Sins of the Father" http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/thumbnails.php?album=2
Thanks FrontierTrek! Here are all the shots that retain the DVD framing (slightly more image, in fact). As expected, they're all -- without exception -- shots that have VFX elements composited in them:
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x17/sinsofthefather_hd_007.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x17/sinsofthefather_hd_008.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x17/sinsofthefather_hd_009.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x17/sinsofthefather_hd_173.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x17/sinsofthefather_hd_175.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x17/sinsofthefather_hd_198.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x17/sinsofthefather_hd_279.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x17/sinsofthefather_hd_288.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x17/sinsofthefather_hd_306.jpg
Just can't get enough of how much cooler the bridge looks now:
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x17/sinsofthefather_hd_016.jpg
http://tng.trekcore.com/hd/albums/3x17/sinsofthefather_hd_016.jpg
Even Picard is like: Not bad.
I agree a bit here with you. The show is achieving the goal of being watchable on HD screens, but it's really missing a great opportunity here to up the FX with new ship angles, flybys, orbit shots, additional ship classes, better planets, and more 'active' matte shots.
Then we would miss this opportunity to see how the original effects elements look when recomposited with modern tech vs. What they had in the late eighties, because they simply will not recomposite every shot ...and create alternate shots in cgi to please everyone. The cgi lovers got their wish with TOSR, I'm getting the product I have waited years for...but never dreamed would happen due to technical hurdles and cost.
I love elements of both of the physical Ent-D models to not see them in HD glory and the way she looks in the BD now is just... wonderful. I'll greatly give-up seeing "more angles" and shots of the ship to see the 6-footer's graceful lines in all of their glory or some of the great more dynamic shots of the 4-footer.
I don't need it replaced with CGI to enjoy it, if they want to replace any ships with CGI they can replace the guest-alien ship(s) as we only ever saw a handful of those. (How many alien races uses that bulky triangular thing?)
I don't need it replaced with CGI to enjoy it, if they want to replace any ships with CGI they can replace the guest-alien ship(s) as we only ever saw a handful of those. (How many alien races uses that bulky triangular thing?)
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