The OFFICIAL STNG-R general discussion thread!

[Dukhat]

I believe your quotes are off, because this quote is from me:

No, they were all CGI. They were never physical, not even in DS9. Only the Enterprise-E and the Defiant were physical models in FC.

Sorry, the Borg cube was most assuredly physical. I believe the Sphere as well.

And the Defiant, to my recollection was CGI based on a scan of the physical model.

I was referring only to the four new Starfleet ship models shown in the movie, because that's what CRA was referring to in my response to him. I'm also pretty sure the Defiant was physical. There were also lo-rez CGI models of the Miranda and Oberth classes in the battle too, and a Nebula (although I don't know if the Nebbie was CGI or physical).

 

[Hober Mallow]

I'm not really a fan of either DS9 or Voyager, but I've no doubt both series will receive the same HD treatment at some point that TNG is getting now. The fact is Paramount has made money off of both shows, and if there is any more money to be made from them, the studio will pursue it. They'll squeeze every last bit of value they can get out of both of them. The shows on HD will mean blu-ray sales, more syndication deals, and a chance to market the shows to an audience that hasn't yet seen them. Of course Paramount's going to do it.

 

[DS9forever]

I'm looking forward to seeing Deep Space 9 in "Birthright, Part I". It would be nice if they added in runabouts as well.

 

[USS KG5]

With the X-Files, it was HUGE back in it's day, and someone with an eye on the future and syndication $$$ might well put their hand in their pocket, as an investment.

Yeah, in it's day. I'm not so sure it's going to find a huge audience in repeat runs now, as it feels very of it's time, and very dated in a way that a space opera like TNG somehow doesn't.

YMMV of course - I suspect we will find out in the fullness of time. It isn't my decision after all!

 

[Akiraprise]

The fact is Paramount has made money off of both shows, and if there is any more money to be made from them, the studio will pursue it. They'll squeeze every last bit of value they can get out of both of them. The shows on HD will mean blu-ray sales, more syndication deals, and a chance to market the shows to an audience that hasn't yet seen them. Of course Paramount's going to do it.

Not just picking on you here Hober Mallow but I've seen this stated around this board for a long time like it's a bad thing. Of course the studio is going to squeeze these shows for everything they are worth. Why wouldn't they? It's easy money in their pocket. They don't make these shows out of the goodness of their hearts for all of humanity to enjoy. They upfront the costs of them to make their stock holders money. We are the consumer. We give them our money to keep us entertained.

 

[AviTrek]

I was under the impression (possibly wrongfully) that at least half of the seasons would be out in 2012. They must have the majority of season 1 completed. From a business standpoint, staggering the releases over the span of several years is not wise. If they stick to that plan, we'll have DS9 and Voyager by 2020 or further..

Personally, I'm not holding my breath for DS9 and Voyager. To my mind the main motivation for the remastering is the income it'll generate long-term in vastly extending the series' life in syndication. I just don't see that DS9 and Voyager have enough pull in the syndication market to make remastering them a financially viable proposition. Though I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

True. Since TNG has more or less been on the air somewhere since it ended it's run 18 years ago and DS9 and Voyager's only real home has been on Spike and Sci-Fi (both of whom only gave each a few years and ended up burning off their contract in overnights)...it doesn't look too good for them.

Except they did make a big deal when all the Star Trek shows were included in the Netflix streaming deal. If Netflix or Amazon or iTunes sees value in paying CBS for an HD version of DS9/VOY then CBS will provide the HD version.

 

[Harvey]

Netflix might see value in HD versions of Trek, but I doubt that's a significant enough revenue stream to finance similar work on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine to what is currently being done for Star Trek: The Next Generation. Home video and, more importantly, syndication, have to come into play as well.

 

[Pseudo]

Personally, I'm not holding my breath for DS9 and Voyager. To my mind the main motivation for the remastering is the income it'll generate long-term in vastly extending the series' life in syndication. I just don't see that DS9 and Voyager have enough pull in the syndication market to make remastering them a financially viable proposition. Though I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

True. Since TNG has more or less been on the air somewhere since it ended it's run 18 years ago and DS9 and Voyager's only real home has been on Spike and Sci-Fi (both of whom only gave each a few years and ended up burning off their contract in overnights)...it doesn't look too good for them.

Except they did make a big deal when all the Star Trek shows were included in the Netflix streaming deal. If Netflix or Amazon or iTunes sees value in paying CBS for an HD version of DS9/VOY then CBS will provide the HD version.

I can see what you're saying, but I'm not sure on Netflix/Amazon financials and the how Star Trek is doing in them, so if anyone's got any figures I'd love to see them.

Indisputably, online distribution is the way of the future (so to speak) but I just don't see DS9-R and VOY-R bringing the same interest and sales uplift that TNG-R and TOS-R are bringing to the table. I think that they'll go as far as TNG-R, but the laws of diminishing returns and with one series at least, a lack of interest, will mean that VOY-R and DS9-R will never happen. As ever I'm more than ecstatic to be shown otherwise.

 

[FrontierTrek]

Hey all, I've updated our coverage on TrekCore with a new feature I've been working on over the past few days. We've taken all new stills straight from the original DVDs corresponding to the stills I took from the HD trailer from CBS and put them in a format where you can directly compare them frame-for-frame.

This is what sells the project for me - it's all too easy to forget just how bad TNG looks on DVD until you compare it like this!

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#analysis2

 

[TheSeeker]

Nice! I cannot wait to see how much better it looks at 1080p on my HDTV at home!

 

[JarodRussell]

Netflix might see value in HD versions of Trek, but I doubt that's a significant enough revenue stream to finance similar work on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine to what is currently being done for Star Trek: The Next Generation. Home video and, more importantly, syndication, have to come into play as well.

I think I remember all these discussions about TNG-R. It's too expensive, it will never be done, etc...

 

[Tosk]

I think I remember all these discussions about TNG-R. It's too expensive, it will never be done, etc...

I was thinking something similar.

 

[Falcor5]

Hey all, I've updated our coverage on TrekCore with a new feature I've been working on over the past few days. We've taken all new stills straight from the original DVDs corresponding to the stills I took from the HD trailer from CBS and put them in a format where you can directly compare them frame-for-frame.

This is what sells the project for me - it's all too easy to forget just how bad TNG looks on DVD until you compare it like this!

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#analysis2

Wow awesome!! When you look at each frame compared to the old dvd the differences are stunning!!

It seems kinda weird to me that only some of the images have a wider aspect ration than on the DVD version. Does that mean some episodes will have a slightly wider aspect ratio than others on the Blu-ray releases?

 

[Jefferies]

I think I remember all these discussions about TNG-R. It's too expensive, it will never be done, etc...

I was thinking something similar.

It's the way of the world though isn't it? You always get the nay-sayers who feel their limited imagination represents a physical limit in the real world. We were faced with people like this at the dawn of the railway and of aviation, and pretty much any other ground braking inovation in history. These days they decry the feasibility of regenerative medicine, moore's law, the genetic revolution and of course DS9 and VOY Remastered.

 

[Squiggy]

Except they did make a big deal when all the Star Trek shows were included in the Netflix streaming deal.

I wouldn't call it a "big deal"...they just announced it. There wasn't a party.

Also, it cost Paramount nothing to give Netflix the streaming rights...I'm sure they made a pretty penny off of it so of course they did it.

 

[22 Stars]

Hey all, I've updated our coverage on TrekCore with a new feature I've been working on over the past few days. We've taken all new stills straight from the original DVDs corresponding to the stills I took from the HD trailer from CBS and put them in a format where you can directly compare them frame-for-frame.

This is what sells the project for me - it's all too easy to forget just how bad TNG looks on DVD until you compare it like this!

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/index.html#analysis2

Once again, great work! You might want to approach Amazon.com offering a link to this demo, to help inspire purchases!

 

[22 Stars]

I think I remember all these discussions about TNG-R. It's too expensive, it will never be done, etc...

I was thinking something similar.

It's the way of the world though isn't it? You always get the nay-sayers who feel their limited imagination represents a physical limit in the real world. We were faced with people like this at the dawn of the railway and of aviation, and pretty much any other ground braking inovation in history. These days they decry the feasibility of regenerative medicine, moore's law, the genetic revolution and of course DS9 and VOY Remastered.

Lol, I'm SO glad you included the laughing face at the end.... I was about to say something about comparing these things...

 

[Captain Robert April]

I think I remember all these discussions about TNG-R. It's too expensive, it will never be done, etc...

I was thinking something similar.

At that time, it was thought that the effects elements only existed on video, which would mean that everything would have to be reshot from scratch.

The fact that the original elements still exist on film changes the equation considerably.

 

[Salinga]

The chances for DS9/VOY in HD are probably better, if the conversion team behind TNG in HD learned a lot about optimizing the process with the TNG material. After that, converting DS9 and VOY is probably much cheaper than it is with TNG right now.

Maybe its here like with shooting TNG and then the later shows: The producers took what they learned with TNG to be more efficient with the spinoffs.

 

[Jefferies]

At that time, it was thought that the effects elements only existed on video, which would mean that everything would have to be reshot from scratch.

The fact that the original elements still exist on film changes the equation considerably.

I don't believe this is quite correct. I remember there were always a few who pointed out that the raw effects elements probably still existed on film. However, the fact that the post production process would have to be redone was seen as an insurmountable obstacle. So much so that recreating everything with CGI was argued to be easier to do but still too expensive to be financially feasible. Fortunately, the doomsayers where proven wrong.