I can't, simply because the rules are there needs to be 2 people eliminating after my turn, which was why I stated that last one was my final one for this game.
Game The Most Disliked First Season Episode
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I'll save The War Within, The War Without because as daft as the end of S1 got, at least the presence of Mirror Georgiou made it somewhat entertaining.
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No one is going to do it?
Si Vis Pacem… is an episode of DSC Season 1 I like. Learning more about Saru and his fear response, Saru and Michael going at it and a beautifully realised CGI jungle.
There! Done!
Si Vis Pacem… is an episode of DSC Season 1 I like. Learning more about Saru and his fear response, Saru and Michael going at it and a beautifully realised CGI jungle.
There! Done!
Photo finish! GAH!
You wait all day for a Trek fan to come along and vote and two come at once. 
Ha, that's great. A 16 hour wait to then have two eliminations seconds apart.
But we have the records, @Seven of Five 's elimination wins by a hair!
And I gotta say, I am thrilled with "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum" as a winner, even though I actually think it's a better episode than "The War Within, The War Without."
BUT "Si Vis Pacem..." is not a good episode, and -- I don't know if anyone else remembers this -- in the press as season 1 Disco was rolling out, they could. not. shut. up. about this episode. Quote after quote from producers about what a timeless Trek classic it will be, the incredible emotional gut punch it packs, there's no way you won't cry, simply reading the script was an overwhelming experience, the writing was brilliant, on and on and on and on and on -- to then have it be this sloppy hour that is lazily structured and doesn't earn ANY of it's big moments or emotional swings.
I had such a clear "oh god! these writers are hacks!" realization watching it. For a show in trouble, there's nothing more important to righting the ship than being able to correctly diagnose the problem. If this kind of half-assed slapdash work would invite excessive overpraise from the creators [at the time] to the extent it did -- we are really in trouble!
So I kind of hold a grudge against "Si Vis Pacem" as the high-water mark for self-delusion on the part of the season 1 creatives, and am happy to add it to the pantheon of WinnerLoser's! (Later, no time to cut & paste now
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But we have the records, @Seven of Five 's elimination wins by a hair!
And I gotta say, I am thrilled with "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum" as a winner, even though I actually think it's a better episode than "The War Within, The War Without."
BUT "Si Vis Pacem..." is not a good episode, and -- I don't know if anyone else remembers this -- in the press as season 1 Disco was rolling out, they could. not. shut. up. about this episode. Quote after quote from producers about what a timeless Trek classic it will be, the incredible emotional gut punch it packs, there's no way you won't cry, simply reading the script was an overwhelming experience, the writing was brilliant, on and on and on and on and on -- to then have it be this sloppy hour that is lazily structured and doesn't earn ANY of it's big moments or emotional swings.
I had such a clear "oh god! these writers are hacks!" realization watching it. For a show in trouble, there's nothing more important to righting the ship than being able to correctly diagnose the problem. If this kind of half-assed slapdash work would invite excessive overpraise from the creators [at the time] to the extent it did -- we are really in trouble!
So I kind of hold a grudge against "Si Vis Pacem" as the high-water mark for self-delusion on the part of the season 1 creatives, and am happy to add it to the pantheon of WinnerLoser's! (Later, no time to cut & paste now
)
I think I was a bit tired and confused last night as I thought it was over and thought no more of it.
Ha, that's great. A 16 hour wait to then have two eliminations seconds apart.
But we have the records, @Seven of Five 's elimination wins by a hair!
And I gotta say, I am thrilled with "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum" as a winner, even though I actually think it's a better episode than "The War Within, The War Without."
BUT "Si Vis Pacem..." is not a good episode, and -- I don't know if anyone else remembers this -- in the press as season 1 Disco was rolling out, they could. not. shut. up. about this episode. Quote after quote from producers about what a timeless Trek classic it will be, the incredible emotional gut punch it packs, there's no way you won't cry, simply reading the script was an overwhelming experience, the writing was brilliant, on and on and on and on and on -- to then have it be this sloppy hour that is lazily structured and doesn't earn ANY of it's big moments or emotional swings.
I had such a clear "oh god! these writers are hacks!" realization watching it. For a show in trouble, there's nothing more important to righting the ship than being able to correctly diagnose the problem. If this kind of half-assed slapdash work would invite excessive overpraise from the creators [at the time] to the extent it did -- we are really in trouble!
So I kind of hold a grudge against "Si Vis Pacem" as the high-water mark for self-delusion on the part of the season 1 creatives, and am happy to add it to the pantheon of WinnerLoser's! (Later, no time to cut & paste now
I actually do remember the overhype of this episode.
I thought pretty much the same as you did, but in a small defense of the writers, this is something I have seen with a LOT of shows and movies. Seems to be a trend in the last decade or so, which is why I never bother to believe them anymore. I do wonder if it's mandated by studios and executives for writers and producers to be that way... wouldn't surprise me.
Best thing a producer/writer can say is this... "I think we did a great job with this one, but you guys judge for yourselves."
That's it. That's all you need. There is hype, but still allows people to judge for themselves.
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I was actually betting on a couple others to win... I even thought a TAS one would simply because it seems not enough people have seen the show.
Frankly, I'm glad a DISCO one won.
Frankly, I'm glad a DISCO one won.
DISC is really a show where I like a lot/most of the characters, but it just doesn't keep me interested because I find the storylines dull.
It tends to be more interesting when it isn't focussing on whatever that season's enemy is. Though to be fair I mostly enjoyed season 4 despite the lack of standalone episodes.
Which is a huge problem when your series is so heavily season arc driven.
No prior winners on this list, we haven't played it before.
Next up, a quick one to follow this epicly long one: "The Most Disliked Episode Written By D.C. Fontana"
MOST DISLIKED WINNERS, 2022
WRITER GENE RODDENBERRY: TOS, Season 1: "Mudd's Women"
MAJEL BARRETT APPEARANCE: TOS, Season 3: "And The Children Shall Lead"
3RD SEASON: TOS, Season 3: "And The Children Shall Lead"
'HEY, THIS PLANET IS JUST LIKE EARTH!': TOS, Season 3: "Plato's Stepchildren"
ANIMATED: TAS, Season 1: "The Eye Of The Beholder"
ROMULAN: TAS, Season 2: "The Practical Joker"
WEDDING: TNG, Season 2: "The Outrageous Okona"
DIRECTOR WINRICH KOLBE: TNG, Season 5: "The Masterpiece Society"
5TH SEASON: TNG, Season 5: "The Perfect Mate"
ROMANCE-OF-THE-WEEK: TNG, Season 6: "Aquiel"
KLINGON: TNG, Season 6: "Birthright, Part II"
DIRECTOR CLIFF BOLE: TNG, Season 7: "Liaisons"
DIRECTOR LES LANDAU: TNG, Season 7: "Dark Page"
DIRECTOR ALEXANDER SINGER: TNG, Season 7: "Homeward"
WRITER RONALD D. MOORE: TNG, Season 7: "Journey's End"
7TH SEASON: TNG, Season 7: "Firstborn"
HOLIDAY: DS9, Season 3: "Meridian"
CARDASSIAN: DS9, Season 6: "Sons & Daughters"
MIRROR UNIVERSE: DS9, Season 6: "Resurrection"
BAJORAN: DS9, Season 6: "The Reckoning"
FERENGI: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
COMEDIC/LIGHT-HEARTED: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
6TH SEASON: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
JEFFREY COMBS APPEARANCE: DS9, Season 7: "The Emperor's New Cloak"
WRITER JOE MENOSKY: VOY, Season 5: "The Fight"
HOLODECK: VOY, Season 6: "Spirit Folk"
MAQUIS: VOY, Season 7: "Repression"
BARCLAY: VOY, Season 7: "Inside Man"
2-PART/DOUBLE EPISODE: VOY, Season 7: "Flesh And Blood"
RECYCLED TITLE: ENT, Season 1: "Terra Nova"
VAUGHN ARMSTRONG APPEARANCE: ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
2ND SEASON: ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
DIRECTOR LEVAR BURTON: ENT, Season 3: "Extinction"
DIRECTOR MIKE VEJAR: ENT, Season 3: "Rajiin"
NAMED FOR CHARACTER: ENT, Season 3: "Rajiin"
DIRECTOR DAVID LIVINGSTON: ENT, Season 3: "Harbinger"
SEASON PREMIERE: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
EVERY 47TH RELEASE: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
"I'M AGING WRONG!": ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
VISIT TO EARTH'S PAST: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part II"
HOLLYWOOD REPORTER'S 100 BEST EPS: ENT, Season 4: "Home"
DIRECTOR ALLAN KROEKER: ENT, Season 4: "These Are The Voyages..."
1ST SEASON: DIS, Season 1: "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum"
TIME TRAVEL/TRAVELER/LOOP/ANOMALY: DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
FEMALE DIRECTOR: DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
SEASON FINALE ANTAGONIST: DIS, Season 2: Control
DIRECTOR JONATHAN FRAKES: DIS, Season 3: "There Is A Tide..."
47TH EPISODES: DIS, Season 4: "The Examples"
4TH SEASON: DIS, Season 4: "The Galactic Barrier"
4TH & 7TH EPISODES: ST, Season 2: "Ask Not"
TREK NOIR: PIC, Season 1: "Broken Pieces"
CAST CROSSOVER: PIC, Season 1: "Et In Arcardia Ego, Part 1"
GUINAN: PIC, Season 2: "Monsters"
BORG/XB: PIC, Season 2: "Mercy"
Q: PIC, Season 2: "Mercy"
COUPLE: LD, Carol Freeman/Alonzo Freeman
REGULAR CHARACTER: PRO, Drednok
TRIPLE WINNERS
DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
DOUBLE WINNERS
TOS, Season 3: "And The Children Shall Lead"
ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
ENT, Season 3: "Rajiin"
DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
PIC, Season 2: "Mercy"
TOTAL SHOW WINS
SNW & Movies: 0 wins
ST, LD & PRO: 1 win each
TAS: 2 wins
TOS: 4 wins
VOY & PIC: 5 wins each
DIS: 7 wins
DS9: 8 wins
TNG: 10 wins
ENT: 13 wins
Next up, a quick one to follow this epicly long one: "The Most Disliked Episode Written By D.C. Fontana"
MOST DISLIKED WINNERS, 2022
WRITER GENE RODDENBERRY: TOS, Season 1: "Mudd's Women"
MAJEL BARRETT APPEARANCE: TOS, Season 3: "And The Children Shall Lead"
3RD SEASON: TOS, Season 3: "And The Children Shall Lead"
'HEY, THIS PLANET IS JUST LIKE EARTH!': TOS, Season 3: "Plato's Stepchildren"
ANIMATED: TAS, Season 1: "The Eye Of The Beholder"
ROMULAN: TAS, Season 2: "The Practical Joker"
WEDDING: TNG, Season 2: "The Outrageous Okona"
DIRECTOR WINRICH KOLBE: TNG, Season 5: "The Masterpiece Society"
5TH SEASON: TNG, Season 5: "The Perfect Mate"
ROMANCE-OF-THE-WEEK: TNG, Season 6: "Aquiel"
KLINGON: TNG, Season 6: "Birthright, Part II"
DIRECTOR CLIFF BOLE: TNG, Season 7: "Liaisons"
DIRECTOR LES LANDAU: TNG, Season 7: "Dark Page"
DIRECTOR ALEXANDER SINGER: TNG, Season 7: "Homeward"
WRITER RONALD D. MOORE: TNG, Season 7: "Journey's End"
7TH SEASON: TNG, Season 7: "Firstborn"
HOLIDAY: DS9, Season 3: "Meridian"
CARDASSIAN: DS9, Season 6: "Sons & Daughters"
MIRROR UNIVERSE: DS9, Season 6: "Resurrection"
BAJORAN: DS9, Season 6: "The Reckoning"
FERENGI: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
COMEDIC/LIGHT-HEARTED: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
6TH SEASON: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
JEFFREY COMBS APPEARANCE: DS9, Season 7: "The Emperor's New Cloak"
WRITER JOE MENOSKY: VOY, Season 5: "The Fight"
HOLODECK: VOY, Season 6: "Spirit Folk"
MAQUIS: VOY, Season 7: "Repression"
BARCLAY: VOY, Season 7: "Inside Man"
2-PART/DOUBLE EPISODE: VOY, Season 7: "Flesh And Blood"
RECYCLED TITLE: ENT, Season 1: "Terra Nova"
VAUGHN ARMSTRONG APPEARANCE: ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
2ND SEASON: ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
DIRECTOR LEVAR BURTON: ENT, Season 3: "Extinction"
DIRECTOR MIKE VEJAR: ENT, Season 3: "Rajiin"
NAMED FOR CHARACTER: ENT, Season 3: "Rajiin"
DIRECTOR DAVID LIVINGSTON: ENT, Season 3: "Harbinger"
SEASON PREMIERE: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
EVERY 47TH RELEASE: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
"I'M AGING WRONG!": ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
VISIT TO EARTH'S PAST: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part II"
HOLLYWOOD REPORTER'S 100 BEST EPS: ENT, Season 4: "Home"
DIRECTOR ALLAN KROEKER: ENT, Season 4: "These Are The Voyages..."
1ST SEASON: DIS, Season 1: "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum"
TIME TRAVEL/TRAVELER/LOOP/ANOMALY: DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
FEMALE DIRECTOR: DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
SEASON FINALE ANTAGONIST: DIS, Season 2: Control
DIRECTOR JONATHAN FRAKES: DIS, Season 3: "There Is A Tide..."
47TH EPISODES: DIS, Season 4: "The Examples"
4TH SEASON: DIS, Season 4: "The Galactic Barrier"
4TH & 7TH EPISODES: ST, Season 2: "Ask Not"
TREK NOIR: PIC, Season 1: "Broken Pieces"
CAST CROSSOVER: PIC, Season 1: "Et In Arcardia Ego, Part 1"
GUINAN: PIC, Season 2: "Monsters"
BORG/XB: PIC, Season 2: "Mercy"
Q: PIC, Season 2: "Mercy"
COUPLE: LD, Carol Freeman/Alonzo Freeman
REGULAR CHARACTER: PRO, Drednok
TRIPLE WINNERS
DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
DOUBLE WINNERS
TOS, Season 3: "And The Children Shall Lead"
ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
ENT, Season 3: "Rajiin"
DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
PIC, Season 2: "Mercy"
TOTAL SHOW WINS
SNW & Movies: 0 wins
ST, LD & PRO: 1 win each
TAS: 2 wins
TOS: 4 wins
VOY & PIC: 5 wins each
DIS: 7 wins
DS9: 8 wins
TNG: 10 wins
ENT: 13 wins
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