yes when Slinky Dog, and Universal's new ride have higher wait times than Smuggler Run, that is definitely a GOOD sign hahaha
The Last Jedi - Actually Widely Hated?
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Let's all cheer for the eventual failure of Star Wars as a franchise and and an entertainment property. That will teach them to make movies a percentage of fans don't like!
A factual article or video is just that a factual article. They come from news sites or are well-researched. Just a look at this Clownfish TV channel on YouTube shows me they are an opinion channel. That's fine, but maybe you should do some real research on your own before citing them as a real source.
Look, in theory, I don't have a problem with opinion sites and channels. But some people out there are easily swayed into believing these things are factual. Because people will believe what they want to and not do their own research. I don't agree with Jeremey from Geeks + Gamers or Gary from Nerdrotic and I hate that they utilize their channels in order to try to sow dissent in the ranks of fans. But ultimately, they can say whatever they want. We can have differing opinions about everything. But, let's just be honest here for a second: Kathleen Kennedy signed a new contract last year. She's not going to be fired anytime soon. Rian Johnson is currently working on a Star Wars trilogy. He's not going to be fired anytime soon. And based upon wait times, Galaxy's Edge is doing pretty well for Disney Parks. You can choose to not like these things. That's your opinion. Go nuts. But just because you don't like it and because some video channels don't either doesn't mean any of this is a failure.
Right now (1:00PM Florida time, again on Tuesday), Smugglers Run is tied with Slinky, 60 minutes apiece. It's not as high as Hagrid's motorbike ride at Universal, but it is not an Apples to Apples comparison (I'm a theme park nerd). First, Disney World has a LOT more going on, 83 attractions to Universal's 48, so if a line is too long, there are other attractions to go to. In addition, there are 2 attractions with those kinds of wait times: Hagrid with 90, Transformers 3D with 60. The next highest is 40 minutes (on 2 rides) everything else is lower. Disney World, meanwhile, currently has 9 attractions in the same ballpark as Smuggler's Run (50-65 minutes), and another 7 in the 40-45 range. So frankly, if one line is too long, you go find another that's shorter. Also, there are a LOT of reports of problems on Hagrid that causes it to be down for extended periods (for example, the first month it didn't even open the first 3 hours the park was open while they performed testing and maintenance in the mornings). There are other factors like FastPass vs ExpressPass, but for the most part, Smuggler's Run being in the very top tier of a LOT of compelling attractions shows us that it is not, in fact, a failure.
Well, to understand what is going on you have to understand what the norm is. If you don't start from there everything else is just nonsense. And I can't really speak about WDW because I've never been there and have no plans to go, but in DL, Peter Pan normally has the longest wait time in the entire California complex. Usually it is around 75 minutes, but it can go up or down depending on other factors. By comparing wait times that are considered normal to right now, they have all been down since GE opened (shortly before actually). So until they are back to normal levels, no one, not even Disney, can accurately say how GE is doing. Right now it has a pretty high percentage of visitors and is as busy as any part of the two parks (technically Disney has two parks in CA - Disneyland and California Adventure and more than three in Florida which I can't individually name). I think sometime after Rise of the Resistance opens in both CA and FL that we will see a return to normal numbers. But until then, all predictions are premature and anyone making claims GE is failing is talking a lot of hot air. Iger's prediction of just tweet that it is open and they will come is one of the reasons park attendance is down - too many were afraid of the crowds and so overall park attendance is down, not just GE. Anyone who knows the parks knows how strange that is to see and knows that the numbers will soon rebound. Only once they do will the success or failure of GE been clear and I predict a great success.
Exactly!
Right now in Disneyland, the Peter Pan wait time is 35 min and Smuggler's run 40. That alone means GE is a success in CA.
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I even said above it might take a year for all the kinks to be straightened out and for us to know it's really performing. But the fact that Iger admitted that it's below what they expected, the fact that they are advertising everywhere when he said prior to opening that they didn't need to, and the fact that there are "reports" of low attendance flying across the internet regardless of whether or not such reports are pushed by the Fandom Menace, simple tells me that it's success is up for debate and not necessarily a slam dunk. in fact when one of those Fandom Menace videos wanted to measure the Success of GE orlando after it's opening I didn't even watch because the hurricane situation would have skewed the numbers
But it isn't low attendance at GE. It is low attendance at the Disney Parks with GE (DL and WDW). And until Rise of the Resistance opens at both, I don't think we are going to see the real picture. Both GE openings were incomplete. Another reason not to rush to judgement about GE's success or failure. But the relative numbers right now, for those who know the parks and understand what is the real indicator of success, show that both are succeeding.
The failure or success of Galaxy's Edge will be determined by the corporate bean-counters and upper level executives, who will be looking at a vast amount of variables, not just the few metrics available to members of the public.
I guess I'm with you until your last point. It could also be read that they are not succeeding.. but maybe they are. But based on what these parks represent they should have (maybe, possibly) gone over like gangbusters. I guess time will tell. I'm hearing new stories about RotR ride being delayed.. that they will also make it simpler than they planned.. that's too ambitious as a multi tier ride.. if they keep that plan I have no doubt it will break down often, but if they water it down that will be a shame. All you really need to do is look at the fac that, aside form the pre-opening of CA version of the park, their little Vi Moradi night show doesn't happen (when it was supposed to be a nightly thing) because Disney needs to cut costs I guess
You revived the thread a full month after its last post to say absolutely NOTHING new. There was literally zero content in your new message other than a list of generic things you don't like. You provided zero insights or even arguments, just a laundry list of complaints which you had already well articulated countless times.
Seriously, why? Just move the fuck on, no one cares anymore.
Clownfish are really, really bad youtubers who clearly have an emotional investment in seeing GE fail, as they have made literally half a dozen videos to complain or gleefully pounce on every tiny scrap of news to insist that GE - or any aspect of New Star Wars - is a flop. It's hilarious and deeply pitiful at the same time.
They're as repetitive, boring and devoid of insight as you.
But at least they're not the sexist, racist assholes as G&G, so, I guess, hooray?
They're awful. And listening to them is just sad, you can feel the social awkwardness oozing off the screen, which makes their outsized anger all the more embarrassing. Just checking their page, they've released TWO separate videos to complain about "reshoots" for ROS and how it spells doom. Dude, EVERYONE does reshoots, it means absolutely nothing. Get a grip.
As I said, it's more sad than anything. They're not as hateable as the usual types just because they seem so...lost.
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It sounds to me as though they're interested in being the spiteful type such as those in The Fandom Menace, making money off of their hate, but being unable to do so due to their lack of social graces. I continue to pass.
Pretty much. It is absolutely mind blowing to me how invested individuals are in the failure of a property they supposedly love...
Pretty much. It is absolutely mind blowing to me how invested individuals are in the failure of a property they supposedly love...
I respect and appreciate the idea that some fans don’t like the direction that a property is headed. But some fans have just gone way too far.
Here's my thing. Fans can like or not like the direction of a franchise. I certainly have friends who hated the PT, and did podcasts and all that slamming that series and its choices. I certainly have been in fan clubs were taking a knock at Ewoks and Jar-Jar was fairly routine part of meetings.
But, we could always move on. There was a sense of, "Yeah, I don't like that, but..." We could always find a positive in some facet of the franchise, from collecting, to books, to gaming, to art, fan films, etc. But, there was never that wish for failure, that schadenfreude around poor financial returns. It is appalling to me.
To modify a quote from Trey Strokes, of Pink Five fame (among many other things): "Disney can do whatever they want with Star Wars and they don't who me a damn thing." True when Trey was talking about Phantom Menace and it's true now.
Agree 100%. Its been almost two years since TLJ. Time to move on. But instead, its the same arguments over AND OVER AND OVER again. Its not that we don't have responses to the arguments, its that we're tired of having to go through all of it again.
Well, the hate has extended to "Galaxy's Edge" because...no, I don't see a reason. I never cared about "Star Tours" (other than waiting in line) and had zero impact on my enjoyment of the films. But, no...we must analyze every part of a theme park attraction to determine if it measures up to whatever standard will ensure it fails.
Some one help me understand this.
