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Spoilers The game changing Voq theory

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I got some contacts and managed to get a snippet of a script from an upcoming episode... Looks like you guys are right!

INT, DISCOVERY BRIDGE, DAY.
LT TYLER is holding a phaser aimed at BURNHAM and CAPT LORCA. He seems torn, twisted. A man who has just made a fateful choice and have to live with it. He hesitates, then lowers the phaser slightly.

TYLER: “We will rendezvous with Klingon ships in an hour. You’ll be free to join the rest of the crew in the rescue pods in a few minutes. But I first need to tell you something. You rescued my life twice captain, I owe you that much.”

BURNHAM: “It’s not too late my love! I don’t know what mountains of madness that drove you to this, but we can take a shuttle craft and escape!”

TYLER: “Oh Michael, if it was only so simple... You see, my name isn’t Tyler: Heroic but dark and broody former prisoner of war. My REAL name is Voq, son of none. A Klingon who with the help of surgery and a Klingon mind crushing device was able to perfectly imitate one of your kind. I stole this ship for my people. I have no regrets over that. But stealing your heart Michael Burnham, that was not part of the plan. And for that I apologize. And will regret every day the rest of my life.

BURNHAM: “Tyler, Voq, what’s the difference. Its your tender heart I love, not the shell it came with. Let me come.”

LORCA: “Wait, for you are not the only one with a terrible secret.” (LORCA looks at MICHAEL BURNHAM.) “Or a heartache as deep as the galactic void.”.

LORCA pulls of a mask. The face under it is Vulcan and reminds us of someone.

LORCA: “You may know me as Captain Lorca, the fearless warrior who cares not for rules and regulations. But that’s not who I’ve always been. Once I was just a young Vulcan who fell in love with a human girl the first time he saw her. But I had to hide my true identity to try and win your heart, because my love was so forbidden and shameful. Don’t deny your feelings Michael. Just know that it wasn’t Captain Lorca who held you close and kissed you. It’s not Lorca who whispered ‘I love you’ when I thought we were both going to die. It is I, SPOCK, your half brother you spent so many hours with, when we both were mere children.”

BURNHAM looks from TYLER/VOQ to LORCA/SPOCK trying to listen to her heart, but unable to make up her mind. ORGAN MUSIC STARTS PLAYING AS THE CAMERA SLOWLY ZOOMS OUT.
 
Made a quick comparison... don't know if you can tell very well, but to me, a lot of the facial features seem to match up.

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I love Star Trek fans! :lol:
 
LEAKED SCRIPT LEAKED SCRIPT

I got some contacts and managed to get a snippet of a script from an upcoming episode... Looks like you guys are right!

INT, DISCOVERY BRIDGE, DAY.
LT TYLER is holding a phaser aimed at BURNHAM and CAPT LORCA. He seems torn, twisted. A man who has just made a fateful choice and have to live with it. He hesitates, then lowers the phaser slightly.

TYLER: “We will rendezvous with Klingon ships in an hour. You’ll be free to join the rest of the crew in the rescue pods in a few minutes. But I first need to tell you something. You rescued my life twice captain, I owe you that much.”

BURNHAM: “It’s not too late my love! I don’t know what mountains of madness that drove you to this, but we can take a shuttle craft and escape!”

TYLER: “Oh Michael, if it was only so simple... You see, my name isn’t Tyler: Heroic but dark and broody former prisoner of war. My REAL name is Voq, son of none. A Klingon who with the help of surgery and a Klingon mind crushing device was able to perfectly imitate one of your kind. I stole this ship for my people. I have no regrets over that. But stealing your heart Michael Burnham, that was not part of the plan. And for that I apologize. And will regret every day the rest of my life.

BURNHAM: “Tyler, Voq, what’s the difference. Its your tender heart I love, not the shell it came with. Let me come.”

LORCA: “Wait, for you are not the only one with a terrible secret.” (LORCA looks at MICHAEL BURNHAM.) “Or a heartache as deep as the galactic void.”.

LORCA pulls of a mask. The face under it is Vulcan and reminds us of someone.

LORCA: “You may know me as Captain Lorca, the fearless warrior who cares not for rules and regulations. But that’s not who I’ve always been. Once I was just a young Vulcan who fell in love with a human girl the first time he saw her. But I had to hide my true identity to try and win your heart, because my love was so forbidden and shameful. Don’t deny your feelings Michael. Just know that it wasn’t Captain Lorca who held you close and kissed you. It’s not Lorca who whispered ‘I love you’ when I thought we were both going to die. It is I, SPOCK, your half brother you spent so many hours with, when we both were mere children.”

BURNHAM looks from TYLER/VOQ to LORCA/SPOCK trying to listen to her heart, but unable to make up her mind. ORGAN MUSIC STARTS PLAYING AS THE CAMERA SLOWLY ZOOMS OUT.
I love it! But I can tell this is made up:

The Discovery doesn't have an organ.
 
I love it! But I can tell this is made up:

The Discovery doesn't have an organ.

Wait for episode 5, when the rest of Captain Georgiu’s testament is delivered. Saru gets a tender holo-speech and a family heirloom that has been passed down for generations. A genuine Würlitzer organ.

In episode 6 the ships “Black Alert” system gets stolen, and Lorca installs the organ on the bridge, making Saru play the Würlitzer as a “Black Alert” before any shroom jump.
 
Wait for episode 5, when the rest of Captain Georgiu’s testament is delivered. Saru gets a tender holo-speech and a family heirloom that has been passed down for generations. A genuine Würlitzer organ.

In episode 6 the ships “Black Alert” system gets stolen, and Lorca installs the organ on the bridge, making Saru play the Würlitzer as a “Black Alert” before any shroom jump.
In Episode 9, just before the season break, it's revealed that the organ was originally played by a seafaring ancestor of Georgiou, who commanded a technologically advanced submarine, completing the circle of Lorca's desire to be the 23rd Century's Captain Nemo...
 
Another malfunction of the spore drive causes Discovery to be transformed into the legendary ghost ship Flying Dutchman, and Lorca into Davy Jones. When he finds out Stamets hates organ music, he replicates a monstrous pipe organ and won't quit playing.
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Made a quick comparison... don't know if you can tell very well, but to me, a lot of the facial features seem to match up.

videotogif_2017_10_12_08_30_32.gif

Thanks for this comparison. I had a few goes myself, but my picture comparisons were way more crude than this lovely gif. I too found that the main features of the eyes, nose and mouth lined up spatially.

I think this theory is legit.
 
The eyes. His right eye is slightly angled.

Oh boy, I've been watching the show and thinking, "Voq's right eye is a little angled. I guess they're trying to make his seem misfit--nice touch."

But maybe they just accentuated Latif's features (no slight against Latif--he's a handsome guy).

I feel like a total conspiracy theorist but man, it seems like there's actually a case here.
 
Oh boy, I've been watching the show and thinking, "Voq's right eye is a little angled. I guess they're trying to make his seem misfit--nice touch."

But maybe they just accentuated Latif's features (no slight against Latif--he's a handsome guy).

I feel like a total conspiracy theorist but man, it seems like there's actually a case here.
There is a line of dialogue in the ep - which if it is still included (they may be trying to throw us off the scent!) will send us Tyler conspiracy fanatics into overdrive...Might be misdirection though! But....
 
There is a line of dialogue in the ep - which if it is still included (they may be trying to throw us off the scent!) will send us Tyler conspiracy fanatics into overdrive...Might be misdirection though! But....
What are you talking about
 
What are you talking about
'What are you talking about...'
Not sure if you intended your post to sound so rude Tuskin38 - I'm sure you didn't...But it came across a bit that way...
No worries... I was talking about a particular line of dialogue in a scene from the forthcoming ep 'Choose Your Pain' -which was shown at Paleyfest I believe - featuring Tyler - and which has - potentially - some relevance to the subject matter being discussed here in light of ep4...Or may not...I didn't want to post the paraphrased gist of the scene in case some people would rather not know it...It may already have been discussed anyway...That is what I was talking about
 
'What are you talking about...'
Not sure if you intended your post to sound so rude Tuskin38 - I'm sure you didn't...But it came across a bit that way...
No worries... I was talking about a particular line of dialogue in a scene from the forthcoming ep 'Choose Your Pain' -which was shown at Paleyfest I believe - featuring Tyler - and which has - potentially - some relevance to the subject matter being discussed here in light of ep4...Or may not...I didn't want to post the paraphrased gist of the scene in case some people would rather not know it...It may already have been discussed anyway...That is what I was talking about
Perhaps you could describe it using the spoiler tags so others can choose whether to read it or not.

Kor
 
^ Any text you wish to spoilerize, put it between the [ spoiler ] and [ /spoiler ] tags.

(But when doing so, remove the extra spaces that I just added to those tags.)
 
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Man, this makes me wish we could have Saru and Troi do a sit-down one day. I think they would really understand each other's plight!
Oh please the only thing Troi seemed to sense in TNG was the obvious:
- Creature screaming nearby
Troi: "I sense great pain!"

- Romulan threatening Captain Picard on screen
Troi: "I sense great anger."

At least Saru's ability seems to have an 'unconscious' component that picks up on things Saru isn't aware of; or isn't always immediately obvious to anyone else in the area. ;)
 
Perhaps you could describe it using the spoiler tags so others can choose whether to read it or not.

Sorted it!
After Lorca is captured he meets Tyler in his cell who tells him that he has been a Prisoner for 7 months - he was on the Yeager during battle of Binary Stars - Lorca doesn't trust him immediately and asks him -against a backdrop of torture screams - how he has survived so long without being tortured to death on this ship - to which Tyler replies seemingly flippantly that the 'female Klingon Captain has taken a liking to me..' I am - of course - assuming said Capatin to be L'rell
As I say it might mean nothing!
Just thought people might find it fun to speculate on...
 
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