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The Galactic Barrier!

The things I think we agree on wholly:

1. In the episode the Enterprise is tasked with the mission of going outside the galaxy, whatever precisely that might mean.

2. In attempting to do this, the Enterprise encounters a vast energy barrier of plot-generating events, because if it didn't the episode would be ``the Enterprise ventures into previously unvisited territory, looks around, and comes home'' and the show would never go to series.
Amusingly, based on the dialogue, I strongly disagree with both points.

What is the Enterprise tasked with?

- they "intend to probe out of the galaxy"
- they think the recorder marker could tell what happened to the Valiant when she was doing the same, even though the marker would necessarily lie close to the site of loss were it to contain anything useful on the loss
- they stop at predetermined "galaxy edge", clearly well before sensor range of the barrier phenomenon as no sensing is conducted yet
- they view the records, discover the Valiant was lost at the "galaxy edge" and not beyond it, and decide that surveying the factors relating to this loss is at the core of their mission of finding out what "others will be facing"

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1) The Enterprise is actually tasked with defying the galaxy edge, i.e. the barrier, and returning to tell the story. Being outside for a while, inside the rest of the time is incidental to the process. "Probing out" does not mean surveying outside phenomena, but performing a thrust through the known obstacle in the path of outward movement.

2) Even though no mission to this effect has been conducted yet (or so the heroes think before they meet the recorder marker), the mystery and danger posed by the barrier is already anticipated, supposedly thanks to earlier observations of some different sort. There is no unexpected encounter there, only an encounter that verifies a worst case scenario for those doing the anticipating.

3. While there is an inherent fuzziness in the concept of the edge of the galaxy, persons who might want to travel to it would have come to some definition, based on whatever seems relevant to their needs or interests, about whether a particular point in space-time is within the galaxy or not. By implication then they have some definition for a boundary between points inside and outside the galaxy, for the purposes of whatever those traveling to it are doing.
Why would anybody want to define "in" and "out", though, if the actual edge is not a sight unto itself? Why not say something like "we'll survey the outer wastes to a distance of X parsecs from reference point zero" and only at return decide whether any interesting boundaries were crossed in the process? Only record-breaking daredevils would bother with the concept of getting "out of the galaxy", much like they today boast about getting "out of the atmosphere".

4. There is absolutely no (in-universe) reason that any human-defined boundary to the galaxy should correlate with any kind of mysterious plot-generating field of energy.
Why not? The field is easily observable, even if mysterious in its properties and "not quite there" in conventional analysis - it should provide an obvious excuse for defining the "arbitrary" inside/outside line. It might not extend everywhere, but it clearly covers enough of the "border" that braving it is considered necessary for any exploration of the farther shores.

5. Any human-defined boundary would correspond only loosely with any physical properties in the space it's meant to divide, and would look comically arbitrary, in a near-homogenous region, to someone in the field at the boundary's location.
Well, obviously not so, in-universe. The barrier is sharp enough to essentially be thickness-less - a ship without warp capabilities can cross it in plot time, and a ship with those capabilities gets through faster than you can say "Eddie's in space-time continuum". Humans would have an easy time accepting this natural phenomenon as their border, and using it as their benchmark when extending the border outside the edges of the actual phenomenon (if it has any). Nobody would want to vote for a competing, "loose"/"arbitrary" definition of the in/out border.

Timo Saloniemi
 
The point I mean to argue and which I think you would be willing to concede:

3. While there is an inherent fuzziness in the concept of the edge of the galaxy, persons who might want to travel to it would have come to some definition, based on whatever seems relevant to their needs or interests, about whether a particular point in space-time is within the galaxy or not. By implication then they have some definition for a boundary between points inside and outside the galaxy, for the purposes of whatever those traveling to it are doing.

Well, as I've said, if we were to define an edge to the galaxy, it would probably be something like the outer edge of the stellar halo or the dark matter halo. Or perhaps the galactic magnetopause, the same way we consider the heliopause the boundary between solar and interstellar space (even though a lot of the Solar system is beyond it). The stellar disk is not the galaxy, it's just one component of the galaxy. Not to mention that the disk itself includes two overlapping populations, the thin disk and the thick disk.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/Milky-way-edge-on.pdf

In any case, trying to define things by drawing fixed boundaries is Earthbound thinking. Astrophysically speaking, what defines whether a star is part of the galaxy is whether it's gravitationally bound to the galaxy -- whether it's orbiting the galaxy's center of mass. If it's doing so, then it's part of our galaxy no matter how far out it is. After all, stars orbit the galactic center, sometimes on orbits with high eccentricity. So if you defined a certain radius from the center as "the edge of the galaxy," then stars whose orbits cross that radius would sometimes be considered part of the galaxy and sometimes not, and that would be silly. So trying to draw such an "edge" is a misguided exercise to begin with. It's trying to impose planetary thinking on a totally different environment, when instead we should update our thinking to reflect the way that environment actually works.


The points I think you mean to argue and which I do mean to concede:

4. There is absolutely no (in-universe) reason that any human-defined boundary to the galaxy should correlate with any kind of mysterious plot-generating field of energy.

5. Any human-defined boundary would correspond only loosely with any physical properties in the space it's meant to divide, and would look comically arbitrary, in a near-homogenous region, to someone in the field at the boundary's location.

Yes, those have been my points all along.


Scientism is the philosophical approach that the most authoritative knowledge has to depend on empirical observation. So it would, in this view, look for some measurable phenomenon for whatever you were interested in; if the problem is defining whether something is in the galaxy or not, describe an experiment that could (in normal circumstances and at least in principle) give a yes-or-no answer.

I picked naked eye observation because if we want to use ``individual stars detectable'' as a standard then we need some threshold of sensitivity, and that's an easy one to describe.

Well, as I've said, depending on naked-eye visibility is a poor standard indeed, because a visibility bias is what leads us to the false perception that the central bulge and stellar disk represent the entire galaxy. What we now understand is that a galaxy isn't a clump of stars, it's a clump of dark matter with stars inside it. Most of the galaxy is unseen.



In general I agree. However, I was referring specifically to the issue of speed.
Most of the quirky differences you listed were really all sorted out by middle of the first season, so we are talking about 2½ years of stability in terms of how the Trek universe operated (more, if you include TAS). Slowing speeds down to Voyager's crawling velocities when Kirk (and even Picard at times) had been zipping around the Galaxy with much greater ease is too much of a contrast to exist in the same continuity. Sometimes, a reboot really is the best thing!

And that's what TNG was originally meant to be, a soft reboot that updated some of the flawed ideas of the original. This is what long-running continuities do. Fandom today has this unrealistic belief that the only options are perfect continuity and a complete restart, but as with all such dualistic ideas, the reality is almost entirely in the middle ground between such extremes. Just about any long-running continuity reinvents itself continuously while still pretending that the broad strokes still applied. Look at Marvel Comics -- the original 1960s stories are still counted as part of the Marvel Universe, but now they're assumed to have happened in the early 2000s and the historical and cultural details have changed.

What matters is that Roddenberry and his co-creators chose to change the assumptions in TNG. They weren't "wrong" to do so. It wasn't an error or a misremembering, it was a conscious creative choice to amend an implausible idea into a more plausible one. Yes, that means disregarding a few details from a few prior episodes, but that is the prerogative of the creators of a canon. It's absurd to say that the people who are inventing the story in the first place should be forbidden from changing anything about it. Forbidden by whom? Who has the right to tell the story's originators how they can or can't tell their own story?
 
In general I agree. However, I was referring specifically to the issue of speed.
Most of the quirky differences you listed were really all sorted out by middle of the first season, so we are talking about 2½ years of stability in terms of how the Trek universe operated (more, if you include TAS). Slowing speeds down to Voyager's crawling velocities when Kirk (and even Picard at times) had been zipping around the Galaxy with much greater ease is too much of a contrast to exist in the same continuity. Sometimes, a reboot really is the best thing!

And that's what TNG was originally meant to be, a soft reboot that updated some of the flawed ideas of the original. This is what long-running continuities do. Fandom today has this unrealistic belief that the only options are perfect continuity and a complete restart, but as with all such dualistic ideas, the reality is almost entirely in the middle ground between such extremes. Just about any long-running continuity reinvents itself continuously while still pretending that the broad strokes still applied.
All of which is fine. And having TNG as a soft reboot (much like TMP before) is a perfectly acceptable way to go...which sadly gets undermined when those softly rebooted shows (TNG, DS9, ENT) all go back to the exact, unchanged source material to tell stories about our contemporary heroes in a "classic" setting. Broad strokes about a franchise's past are all very well until faced with the detailed minutiae of those shows which they sought to distance themselves from.

In fact, it could almost be said that there was a third "soft reboot" - that of reverse coursing and accepting TOS as it originally was broadcast, for better or for worse.
 
^The truth is, only a small minority of fans like us pay any attention to the "detailed minutiae." The vast majority of the audience only notices the big picture.

And as much as I like to keep things as consistent as possible in my own writing, I recognize that writers need the freedom to change their own assumptions and correct their past mistakes. I'm currently shopping around a novel that's expanded from my first published story, and when I initially set out on the project, I wanted to keep it as faithful to the original story as possible; but I found that correcting the scientific errors and storytelling shortcomings of the original work required tossing it out altogether and retelling it in a new way. The core events still happened, but they just happened a bit differently than the original story claimed, making it an inaccurate chronicle of the events.

And that's the way you have to interpret continuity changes in fiction. What you're seeing isn't a documentary, it's a fictional account of events. And any story is subject to interpretation, filtering, and error by the storyteller. The same story told by two different people, or by the same person two different times, is going to change between the tellings, because that's just the way storytelling works. That's true even if it's an account of actual events. So you can't be too obsessive about exacting details. It needs to be understood that they're subject to revision. The stories may have happened in the broad strokes, but the details may not be exactly the way they were shown. For instance, in my interpretation of The Final Frontier, I ignore the three lines about Sha Ka Ree being at the center of the galaxy, because it's a minor detail that has no impact on the actual story. I just assume Sha Ka Ree was actually somewhere closer, and the version of the story that we were told was simply inaccurate.
 
The thing is, although only a small minority care about details, a sizable one is keen on having "modern" Trek events directly connected with "old" ones, for the sheer joy of seeing "old" Trek again. Seeing it slightly altered would actually be a bad thing there!

Luckily, the new movies don't settle for slight altering. But the uncanny valley there is a gaping one, and actual returns to old adventures such as the tribble one really have to tread very carefully...

Timo Saloniemi
 
I'm currently shopping around a novel that's expanded from my first published story...

Would that be Ex Machina? The Amazon page has a nice excerpt, I may have to give that a read sometime. :) Are you setting the update in the same time period?
 
^No, my first published story was "Aggravated Vehicular Genocide" in the November 1998 issue of Analog Science Fiction and Fact. I did write stuff before I became a Trek author. And you can't shop around a Trek novel -- only Pocket publishes them.

For that matter, Ex Machina, while my first published novel, was actually my third published work of Trek fiction, following SCE: Aftermath and the DS9 novelette "...Loved I Not Honor More." And my fifth published work overall.
 
Slowing speeds down to Voyager's crawling velocities when Kirk (and even Picard at times) had been zipping around the Galaxy with much greater ease is too much of a contrast to exist in the same continuity. Sometimes, a reboot really is the best thing!

As I've said elsewhere, Voyager could have avoided all this unnecessary comparison by simply giving the ship a top speed of, say, warp four or five. Build some drama into the premise that way. When Stadi was telling Tom about Voyager's specs, warp 9.999 whatever wasn't really a big deal: we'd basically seen Enterprise D do that before.
 
Thanks for the update, Christopher :)

LMFAOschwarz, making the titular starship less than another top of the line model would have been a bold move, one if several that were needed to make the series a bit less generic. Ah, well.
 
As I've said elsewhere, Voyager could have avoided all this unnecessary comparison by simply giving the ship a top speed of, say, warp four or five. Build some drama into the premise that way. When Stadi was telling Tom about Voyager's specs, warp 9.999 whatever wasn't really a big deal: we'd basically seen Enterprise D do that before.

Actually, though, that wasn't even necessary. The 70-year figure to get home was always unrealistic, because there was no way the ship could maintain maximum cruising speed for that long. It was constantly stopping to collect supplies, explore new phenomena, make diplomatic or trading contacts, fight off attackers, etc. So even with a maximum cruising speed of warp 7 or 8 (9 and up are emergency speeds), the average warp velocity would be considerably lower. If they'd taken that into account, then the likely travel time to get home would've been more like a couple of centuries.
 
Janeway did make it clear that the 70-year figure was unrealistic. That was the starting point of the pep talk: that conventional sailing, even at the obviously unattainable sustained maximum speed, would take so long that only Tuvok would still be standing at the end of the journey (meaning the ship would grind to a halt for lack of crew long before). Yet unconventional solutions such as wormholes or further Caretakers existed, and there thus was hope after all.

I find the 70-year figure nicely in line with Kirk-era references. TOS makes it appear that warp seven is immensely faster than warp six, and warp eight again fantastically more dangerous a speed than warp seven. Naturally, a ship equipped with such a drive could dash for a day at a speed a million times faster than the one she could sustain for a year! This is something completely lost on people who think of "cruising" and "dashing" in terms of driving a car economically vs. uneconomically (a few lousy percent of a difference in speed), or in terms of nautical vessels (50% difference would be unusual), yet inherent in how warp is portrayed in the episodes and backstage doubletalk alike.

It's not that TNG ships would be slow. It's that TNG skippers are conservative, listening to their respective chief engineers who say that going a thousand times faster than recommended is, well, not recommended. Kirk just told Sulu to ignore the whining from the engine room, and easily added three, four, five or six orders of magnitude (or "warp factors") to the supposed top speed of his ship. Probably shortening her lifetime, and potentially that of the crew, in like measure, but who cares?

It should be noted that Kirk never managed to cross the galaxy in less than 70 years, despite operating at speeds that would have made such a feat possible or even trivial. Again, this is nicely consistent and flows naturally from the way warp drive is portrayed.

It also follows, however, that it's unlikely Kirk crossed significant distances in order to reach the "galaxy edge" or the "barrier" seen in these episodes. But nothing really requires us to think that the distances involved would have been all that significant. Certainly we can rule out the idea of counting the lightyears from Earth to the real galaxy edge, thanks to the latter not existing!

Timo Saloniemi
 
Actually, though, that wasn't even necessary. The 70-year figure to get home was always unrealistic, because there was no way the ship could maintain maximum cruising speed for that long. It was constantly stopping to collect supplies, explore new phenomena, make diplomatic or trading contacts, fight off attackers, etc. So even with a maximum cruising speed of warp 7 or 8 (9 and up are emergency speeds), the average warp velocity would be considerably lower. If they'd taken that into account, then the likely travel time to get home would've been more like a couple of centuries.

Yes, truer still! It's like those people I've known who've planned a long car trip, assuming their travel time based rather optimistically on clear roads, no highway construction, and a speed of 70 miles per hour.

Which leaves out food and bathroom stops, possible car trouble, and stops for the cops to write their speeding tickets. :lol:
 
While Janeway made no error there, we're left wondering how Barclay later came to his conclusions about the progress the ship would have been making. He had some data on previous pit stops, shortcuts and traffic jams, but each of those had contributed massively to changes in average speed. Not slowing down the ship by 10% or accelerating her by 20%, but often adding a ridiculous 30,000% or the like to the speed the ship's own engines could generate, only to yank it away soon thereafter. What possible use would it be to calculate the average of such deviations? What predictive value could be pried from the all-outlier figures?

Yet the problem faced by Barclay is just a tad more challenging than standard warp navigation. Not knowing whether your prey uses warp four or warp six in a given day can lead to errors similar to assuming that the car you are chasing is two miles ahead of you when in fact it is fifty million miles behind you - yes, the very concept of warp drive makes Earth-bound analogies futile, often quite literally.

Timo Saloniemi
 
There is a missing (perhaps unspoken) element to the Enterprise's mission in "Where No Man..." to consider:

We know that the Enterprise is capable of launching scientific probes. ("The Immunity Syndrome") We also know, through retcon, that Earth and/or the Federation has been launching long-range, deep-space probes to remote corners of the Galaxy dating back to the 22nd century (DS9's "The Emissary"), a practice still be used in the 24th century by the Vega Nine Probe (TNG "Tin Man").

If the Enterprise was sent out to investigate the disappearance of the S.S. Valiant, 200 years before, could it be that a TOS-era probe was operating near Delta Vega and it spotted the Valiant's recorder-marker, sent telemetry home, and this is what piqued Starfleet's interest?
 
If the Enterprise was sent out to investigate the disappearance of the S.S. Valiant, 200 years before, could it be that a TOS-era probe was operating near Delta Vega and it spotted the Valiant's recorder-marker, sent telemetry home, and this is what piqued Starfleet's interest?

The opening lines of the episode disprove that:

Captain's log, Star date 1312.4. The impossible has happened. From directly ahead, we're picking up a recorded distress signal, the call letters of a vessel which has been missing for over two centuries. Did another Earth ship once probe out of the galaxy as we intend to do? What happened to it out there? Is this some warning they've left behind?
They didn't expect to encounter the Valiant or its buoy. Kirk later says in his address to the crew that they hope to determine what the Valiant was doing there. They weren't aware that it had been to the edge of the galaxy. It was swept there by a space storm (presumably one of those FTL phenomena that transported various other Earth vessels like Voyager 6 and Charybdis), so its disappearance would've occurred somewhere different.
 
In general I agree. However, I was referring specifically to the issue of speed.
Most of the quirky differences you listed were really all sorted out by middle of the first season, so we are talking about 2½ years of stability in terms of how the Trek universe operated (more, if you include TAS). Slowing speeds down to Voyager's crawling velocities when Kirk (and even Picard at times) had been zipping around the Galaxy with much greater ease is too much of a contrast to exist in the same continuity. Sometimes, a reboot really is the best thing!

And that's what TNG was originally meant to be, a soft reboot that updated some of the flawed ideas of the original. This is what long-running continuities do. Fandom today has this unrealistic belief that the only options are perfect continuity and a complete restart, but as with all such dualistic ideas, the reality is almost entirely in the middle ground between such extremes. Just about any long-running continuity reinvents itself continuously while still pretending that the broad strokes still applied.
All of which is fine. And having TNG as a soft reboot (much like TMP before) is a perfectly acceptable way to go...which sadly gets undermined when those softly rebooted shows (TNG, DS9, ENT) all go back to the exact, unchanged source material to tell stories about our contemporary heroes in a "classic" setting. Broad strokes about a franchise's past are all very well until faced with the detailed minutiae of those shows which they sought to distance themselves from.

In fact, it could almost be said that there was a third "soft reboot" - that of reverse coursing and accepting TOS as it originally was broadcast, for better or for worse.

Interesting ideas! Hadn't thought of the concept of a "soft " reboot.
 
[ Moving things a little around for, hopefully, clarity: ]
The points I think you mean to argue and which I do mean to concede:

4. There is absolutely no (in-universe) reason that any human-defined boundary to the galaxy should correlate with any kind of mysterious plot-generating field of energy.

5. Any human-defined boundary would correspond only loosely with any physical properties in the space it's meant to divide, and would look comically arbitrary, in a near-homogenous region, to someone in the field at the boundary's location.

Yes, those have been my points all along.

I'm glad we're able to establish that; we're really disagreeing about a lot less than the amount I was writing made it look like.


In any case, trying to define things by drawing fixed boundaries is Earthbound thinking. Astrophysically speaking, what defines whether a star is part of the galaxy is whether it's gravitationally bound to the galaxy -- whether it's orbiting the galaxy's center of mass.

I should point out that I am thinking of the needs to define what is the galaxy for the purposes of political or navigational maps, defining matters like sovereignty over whatever resources might be in an area, or providing for the safe and efficient carrying of things between points.

And, yes, I'm ignoring dark matter. My supposition is that the Federation would be primarily interested in planets --- stuff you could live on, or at least harvest useful resources from --- and the stars which support life on them. If dark matter has some application besides making the starship Voyager's day more difficult, perhaps they'd want to include regions of useful dark matter within the political or navigational boundary.

So and in that light: you're offering a definition for ``the galaxy'', one based on orbital mechanics, and that's fine. It's a definition we can work with. We can therefore partition the universe into ``the [ordinary-matter] things which are part of the galaxy'' and ``the things which are not'', and separating the two sets of things is therefore ... well, what we've disputed.



If it's doing so, then it's part of our galaxy no matter how far out it is. After all, stars orbit the galactic center, sometimes on orbits with high eccentricity. So if you defined a certain radius from the center as "the edge of the galaxy," then stars whose orbits cross that radius would sometimes be considered part of the galaxy and sometimes not, and that would be silly. So trying to draw such an "edge" is a misguided exercise to begin with. It's trying to impose planetary thinking on a totally different environment, when instead we should update our thinking to reflect the way that environment actually works.

A star orbiting the galaxy can be expected to take something like a half-billion years to make the journey. A status of 'inside' or 'outside' the defined bounds of the galaxy that has to be updated approximately once every 250 million years is a problem akin to the need to redraw state boundaries --- which are often tied to latitude or longitude --- to reflect continental drift. (Yes, I'm aware this is potentially multiplied by the number of stars drifting across that boundary. It's still going to be a minor problem. If there were an annoying number of stars crossing the radial 'line' every year they'd set the line farther out.)

And the dynamical-systems-based definition you want to use offers obvious problems for political or navigational maps of the galaxy. I'm sure you've thought of at least three problematic but plausible cases.
 
I'm not sure where the need to define "the galaxy" would actually emerge. Would Klingons truncate their territorial claims at an arbitrary "edge"? Would there be extra charge on flights beyond a certain "border"? Different insurance rate?

Realistically, if such issues did arise, every operator would come up with their own, advantageous definition, rather than agree on something that necessarily still affects different players in different ways.

In any case, this is unrelated to Trek, because there the thing they refer to as the "galaxy edge" is directly associated with a measurable phenomenon. Something or somebody beyond human influence and comprehension has already done all the defining necessary or possible.

Timo Saloniemi
 
I should point out that I am thinking of the needs to define what is the galaxy for the purposes of political or navigational maps, defining matters like sovereignty over whatever resources might be in an area, or providing for the safe and efficient carrying of things between points.

Yes, but a starfaring power would learn to define those things based on parameters that make sense in space, rather than clinging to ancient planetbound conceits about how to define borders. It would be unreasonable not to adapt to new circumstances.


And, yes, I'm ignoring dark matter. My supposition is that the Federation would be primarily interested in planets --- stuff you could live on, or at least harvest useful resources from --- and the stars which support life on them. If dark matter has some application besides making the starship Voyager's day more difficult, perhaps they'd want to include regions of useful dark matter within the political or navigational boundary.
The point is that the galaxy includes its halo, which contains plenty of stars and globular clusters, even aside from the dark matter. It's not just the disk and the bulge. So whatever you'd define as an "edge" for the entire galaxy would have to be well beyond the edge of the disk, and that doesn't fit the episode, because it would be prohibitively far for the Enterprise to reach (let alone the Valiant) and because they would've already had to pass through a great deal of mostly empty space to get there.


A star orbiting the galaxy can be expected to take something like a half-billion years to make the journey. A status of 'inside' or 'outside' the defined bounds of the galaxy that has to be updated approximately once every 250 million years is a problem akin to the need to redraw state boundaries --- which are often tied to latitude or longitude --- to reflect continental drift. (Yes, I'm aware this is potentially multiplied by the number of stars drifting across that boundary. It's still going to be a minor problem. If there were an annoying number of stars crossing the radial 'line' every year they'd set the line farther out.)
Actually it wouldn't be a minor problem if you were concerned with reaching a specific star. The orbital velocity of disk stars ranges from about 50 to 200 kilometers per second, meaning that they change position by maybe about 10-40 astronomical units per year. In space, you can't afford to aim just kinda sorta for where something is; you have to target it precisely, or you'll end up wasting fuel to correct your course -- fuel you probably can't afford to waste if you've traveled all the way to the edge of the galaxy. So you can't afford to get by with old maps.


And the dynamical-systems-based definition you want to use offers obvious problems for political or navigational maps of the galaxy. I'm sure you've thought of at least three problematic but plausible cases.
Why does it offer problems? We're talking about civilizations capable of interstellar travel. For them, a map wouldn't be a bunch of lines drawn on parchment. It would be a computer model, and there's no reason it couldn't be programmed to be dynamic and adaptive. Indeed, it would have to be. Any interstellar civilization would've had to start out as an interplanetary civilization, and since the relative positions of planets, moons, and asteroids within a star system change on a daily basis, the kind of fixed, unchanging maps we use on Earth would be laughably obsolete the moment a civilization started settling its own star system. Any navigational aid used in space must be dynamic and able to change over time. Even the earliest orbital capsules had such instruments. The "Globus" instruments used by the Soviet and Russian space programs were based on a physical globe of the Earth, but one that constantly rotated within the instrument to plot the capsule's ever-changing position. Change over time was an integral component of the "map." Good grief, even today we use computerized, regularly updated GPS maps more than we use static, unchanging paper maps.

So any spacefaring civilization would've gotten used to 4-dimensional navigational reference tools -- i.e. ones that plot positions in 3 dimensions and changes of position over time -- long before it ever achieved interstellar flight. It would've gotten used to thinking of navigation in terms of converging with a given vector rather than reaching a given point. That's the only way you can navigate in space, because there's no such thing as standing still in space. So naturally any starfaring civilization's galaxy map would be based on orbital vectors and parameters rather than fixed coordinates.

And territorial boundaries would thus have to be defined in the same way. They wouldn't be static borders in empty space, except perhaps as a very rough and unofficial approximation. I tend to think that political boundaries would be defined based on the star systems held by a given power. The territory belonging to a star or planet would probably be defined as its Hill sphere, the region in which its gravitational influence over satellites dominates over the gravitational influence of other bodies. I trust the political analogy is self-evident. The territory of an interstellar power would probably encompass the Hill spheres of all the stars and rogue planets it governs or occupies, plus the established and patrolled travel routes between those systems. It would be more a bunch of individual dots connected by thin branches than a big contiguous blob. And of course their positions relative to one another would be shifting by an astronomically small but navigationally significant degree every year, so the computer maps would have every object's orbital parameters built in and would always give their current positions.

In this formulation, the "territory" of the Milky Way galaxy might include everything within its Hill sphere. But from what I can tell, that's a radius on the order of a million light-years, maybe a third of the way to the Andromeda galaxy.
 
To me trying to determine where the Galaxies 'edge' might be is an exercise in Fuzzy Logic. How many hairs determine if a man is bald or not?- where is the line, 100 hairs, 50 hairs or 12. If we go literal then no man unless he shaves his head would be bald, but generally we do agree whether a man has hair or not.
Trek made the galactic edge a big pink light show- they were traveling through space containing fewer and fewer stars until that point. It the barrier was not there they might have continued on until they found a place they considered totally outside but that could have been much much further out than where we saw the barrier.
Always wondered why they did not just fly above or below that barrier,or just go 'up' from the center of Federation space and away from the disk instead of traveling through the disk to its horizontal edge...
 
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