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Spoilers The Flash - Season 3

Also, Jessie must be braindead to get to the end of Casablanca before asking about which war it depicts (not to mention turning off the frickin' final scene).

She is from a parallel Earth, after all. And the only actual mention of "the Second World War" in the movie is in the very first line of the opening narration. If her world had multiple 20th-century wars, as she said, and none of them was named "the Second World War" or WWII (the War of the Americas seems to be the closest equivalent), then she might not have understood which war was being referred to. The movie assumes, of course, that the audience knows the basics of the real-world geopolitical situation it's based on. So someone from another Earth with another history would miss a lot of the references. Okay, so it's the early 1940s, and Germany has occupied France and other parts of Europe, and they have a presence in North Africa, and America is in some sort of adversarial role to them, and...?

Indeed, the whole subtext of the movie depends on the viewer already being aware of WWII. After all, it was meant as a pro-intervention allegory. Rick represented the United States and its resistance to getting involved in the war, and his journey to the realization that he had to get involved, to sacrifice his self-interest and fight for the good of others, was a statement about how America needed to do the same. Someone who doesn't even know what World War II was would have a hard time getting the nuances.


Also also, I don't believe for a moment that Casablanca is Wally's favorite movie. A guy who never, ever shuts up about how badly he wants Speed and to be a superhero does not have a story about giving up the girl and quietly walking off to good in the shadows as his #1 film. Fast Five, I'd buy. Or Deep Blue Sea. Anaconda, even. Top Gun, why the hell not.

Weren't you just saying you wanted the characters to be more 3-dimensional? Besides, it's Casablanca, arguably the most perfect film ever made. And it's a Warner Bros. film, unlike any of the ones you named (although WB distributed the second one).

Consider this: maybe the choice was deliberate foreshadowing. After all, the scene they were showing was about two lovers who came from different worlds and had tried to come together, but were now realizing that they had to stay apart for the greater good. That might well be a hint about where the Wally-Jesse relationship is going.


I'm confused as to whether being in the Speed Force is a bad thing or not. Didn't Barry have a pretty pleasant interlude there last year? Okay, Savitar might hate it because Evil Does Not Like Good, but then why is everyone else so distraught about Wally being trapped therein?

A lot of people believe Heaven is a good place, yet they still don't want their loved ones to die. The Speed Force is basically Speedster Heaven. If Wally is trapped there forever, then he's effectively dead.
 
I'm confused as to whether being in the Speed Force is a bad thing or not. Didn't Barry have a pretty pleasant interlude there last year? Okay, Savitar might hate it because Evil Does Not Like Good, but then why is everyone else so distraught about Wally being trapped therein?

I see the Speed Force as being like an after-life for speedsters. Barry dies in the experiment (we see his body get pulverized and his empty and burned suit fall the ground) when he went there. We have good and bad concepts of the after-life, heaven and hell. So maybe the Speed Force is similar. Barry had a "heavenly" experience because he is good but maybe Savatar had a "hellish" experience because he is evil. His description of the Speed Force as being an eternal void and worse than death, feels like a description of hell.
 
Weren't you just saying you wanted the characters to be more 3-dimensional? Besides, it's Casablanca, arguably the most perfect film ever made. And it's a Warner Bros. film, unlike any of the ones you named (although WB distributed the second one).
I admire Casablanca as much as the next guy my age, but it's such an obvious choice for a favorite film (like The Beatles for favorite band, or "The Road Not Taken" for favorite poem) that, absent any elaboration, it reeks of writer laziness rather than an organic character choice. "We have the rights to Casablanca? Great, they'll be watching that, then; it'll make our two ciphers seem sophisticated by association. Easier than writing actual characters. Time for lunch!"

Consider this: maybe the choice was deliberate foreshadowing.
Rather than an organic character trait? Consider it considered! But, even if your guess pans out, I don't think that "We'll always have Paris" can be satisfactorily mirrored by "We'll always have those times we hung out in STAR Labs feeling mild attraction to each other, and that time you interrupted a make-out session to ask for a burger, while being so indifferent to Casablanca you bailed on it during the goddamn final scene."

A lot of people believe Heaven is a good place, yet they still don't want their loved ones to die. The Speed Force is basically Speedster Heaven. If Wally is trapped there forever, then he's effectively dead.
Barry wasn't trapped there forever, and they have no reason to take Savitar at his word - the guy just impersonated Wally's ghost mother and talked him into freeing him! So Wally gets to spend some time in Speedster Heaven? Again, not seeing a horrific problem, just another obstacle.
 
Barry wasn't trapped there forever, and they have no reason to take Savitar at his word - the guy just impersonated Wally's ghost mother and talked him into freeing him! So Wally gets to spend some time in Speedster Heaven? Again, not seeing a horrific problem, just another obstacle.

What the heck is wrong with it being an obstacle? One of the team members is trapped. He needs to be rescued. That's an obvious story driver.

And the story's not even over yet. The next episode is likely to explain a lot more about Wally's situation and what's at stake. So just have patience.
 
I admire Casablanca as much as the next guy my age, but it's such an obvious choice for a favorite film (like The Beatles for favorite band, or "The Road Not Taken" for favorite poem) that, absent any elaboration, it reeks of writer laziness rather than an organic character choice. "We have the rights to Casablanca? Great, they'll be watching that, then; it'll make our two ciphers seem sophisticated by association. Easier than writing actual characters. Time for lunch!"

Have you considered the possibility that Casablanca isn't really Wally's favorite movie, but he told his girlfriend it was to show her how deep and thoughtful he is?! Because, like you say, it's such an obvious choice, and teenage boys (and also grown men, really) do stuff like that to impress girls (and grown women).
 
@Kai "the spy": You're suggesting he's fronting on a girl who's already down to move in with him?! I don't need any help in not liking him, here! :p
 
"My favourite movie is Earnest saves Christmas... Um, I mean Cassablanca."

At that age (20?), his favourite movie should be a porn.

Seriously.

He's an engineer.

http://www.engineering.com/Designer...ticleID/8655/Top-10-Movies-for-Engineers.aspx

And as a Car-Guy, Wally is a fricking street racer, which means that he should be ape for the Fast and the Furious franchise, and other movies about speedy cars...

Oh.

Cars By Pixar.

I really don't like Wally.

He's an optimistic dummy who gets by on luck, when he deserves to get a really bad rash.
 
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80 percent of their relationship, was because of Flashpoint with dopplegangers, and they admitted this, so slightly different... They should not be living together.
 
Man, I am really looking forward to tonight's episode, "Into the Speed Force". I hope we get some answers about Savatar.
 
Another thing about Casablanca.

Explaining Hitler to a person completely ignorant about the subject.

I'm guessing there'd be a %30 chance that Jessie would pack her bags and leave Earth 1 forever.
 
I am pretty sure they will. Next week is the musical episode, so I think the main stuff will be resolved tonight's

There is a clip from tonight's episode which some interesting tidbits. It looks like this episode is definitely going to reveal some cool stuff.

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I just hope its not like the last time they went into the speed force. The episode with barry and his speed force Mom is easily the worst episode of the show, and one of the worst hours of the DC CW TV shows.
 
I just hope its not like the last time they went into the speed force. The episode with barry and his speed force Mom is easily the worst episode of the show, and one of the worst hours of the DC CW TV shows.

I actually loved that episode with his speed force mom. Interestingly, this episode reveals that there will be some consequences to that previous episode.
The speed force beings are not too happy with Barry.
 
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