Spoilers The Flash - Season 3

[Commander Richard]

And he's definitely saying that he is "the future Flash," not "the future, Flash."

He keeps saying "I'm the future, Flash" or something like that. But, maybe there shouldn't be the comma in that statement, and he's actually saying "I'm the future Flash".

Yeah, that's how I heard it.

 

[SAndrews10]

I particularly liked that Jesse stayed behind and ignored her duty to all the people in the fire to go all girly and gaga over Iris' engagement ring. Great 1950s writing there.

 

[Gryffindorian]

I don't mind the romance and drama on the show, but this Savitar arc has been dragging on. He's an uber-powerful villain who hails himself as a god, but we know Flash and the gang will eventually kick his ass. But please, get on with it!

And what a dupe that boy Wally was. Sure, he wasn't just hallucinating; he allowed himself to be manipulated by Megatron and walked right into his trap. "You'll never be fast enough, Wally. I bet you can't even create a breach, and you won't be able to get rid of that stone."

"Oh yeah? Watch me!" Minutes later, "Barry, help!!!"

 

[Romulan_spy]

And he's definitely saying that he is "the future Flash," not "the future, Flash." Could he actually be Wally? Or even a future version of Barry?

I could accept that Savatar is future Wally. There would be a nice symmetry that he swapped places in the speed force with his younger self. But I have a hard time with the idea that Savatar is future Barry. The idea that Barry becomes evil in the far future and is trying to kill his younger self, just does not feel right.

Then again, Iris didn't have the ring on at the end of the episode, so I guess the engagement's off.

It occurred to me that we might be getting a time travel type paradox here. Barry saw the lack of a ring and assumed that they were not engaged. So he proposes, hoping it will change the future. But in reality, they were engaged and Iris calls off the engagement, hence why she is not wearing her engagement, but that is what inspires Barry to propose in the first place. The consequence of the action is its own cause.

 

[Christopher]

I particularly liked that Jesse stayed behind and ignored her duty to all the people in the fire to go all girly and gaga over Iris' engagement ring. Great 1950s writing there.

Well, to be fair, you don't need three speedsters to handle one fire. And Barry and Wally never got to the fire either, because they were distracted by Savitar's "attack" on Wally. We did see the fire trucks on the way, though, so presumably the fire was dealt with by the people whose actual job it is to do that.

But I have a hard time with the idea that Savatar is future Barry. The idea that Barry becomes evil in the far future and is trying to kill his younger self, just does not feel right.

Spoiler: comics

It actually was done in the comics in 2015, though not with Savitar. He didn't turn evil; rather, he was trying to fix a disastrous "tear" in the Speed Force by destroying his past self to close it. Although I guess all of Savitar's talk about being a god to be worshipped argues against that being the case here.

 

[Romulan_spy]

I particularly liked that Jesse stayed behind and ignored her duty to all the people in the fire to go all girly and gaga over Iris' engagement ring. Great 1950s writing there.

Uh?! I've seen plenty of women today who gets excited when a female friend gets engaged. There is nothing 1950's about it.

 

[SAndrews10]

It's just us Jesse is too busy looking at the engagement ring.

She can't do that when we get back in an half an hour

 

[Christopher]

It's just us Jesse is too busy looking at the engagement ring.

To be fair, it was Wally who said that, so we don't know if it's what Jesse actually wanted. I got the impression that it was more Wally's decision, that two speedsters could handle one fire easily enough, so he figured there was no need to interrupt Jesse's squeeing over the ring. Had Jesse been consulted, she might've been rather ticked off at him for making that assumption on her behalf.

 

[dahj]

The idea that Barry becomes evil in the far future and is trying to kill his younger self, just does not feel right.

Savitar isn't trying to kill Barry though, at least not yet...

I agree that all those "I'm the future Flash" repeated over and over can't be a coincidence, but it might just be a red herring. Because which Flash, that's the question... Barry seems like an obvious choice, with Savitar trying to kill Iris and destroying all that matters to Barry so that he would turn evil and become Savitar, but that just seems too simple for the usual speedforce shenanigans. Wally, on the other hand seems too complicated because then he's trapped himself in the speedforce and that's slightly too wibbly wobbly...

So my theory... I'd say it's been Julian all along, or more accurately he's about to be.
Savitar says he created himself, which would fit because all this began when he found the stone, Julian has a thing for mythology, he now knows the inside details of the team, and both Savitar and Julian have similarly smug and self-important attitudes... Also, it just could be that the Julian as Alchemy thing was made so obvious precisely so that this would come as more of a surprise.

 

[Tuskin38]

 

[Mudd]

Yeah, Julian.

 

[Snaploud]

Is Savitar slower now that he is fully out of the speed force? He doesn't seem to be moving Barry around like a rag doll as much.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Is Savitar slower now that he is fully out of the speed force? He doesn't seem to be moving Barry around like a rag doll as much.

Yeah, I noticed that too. I suspect the writers will tone him down just a bit. Savatar was so OP in the previous ep with Jay Garrick that it would have been impossible to defeat him now that he is out of the speed force. The in-universe explanation is probably that when Savatar was trapped inside the speed force, he was literally one with the speed force, hence why he was so powerful. Now that Savatar is free, he is more of a normal physical being that is not as connected with the speed force as before, hence not as powerful.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Also, a commercial for the musical episode basically spoiled any drama for next week's episode. Presumably no one dies (other than perhaps Savitar)...since it would be awfully quick to get into a fun episode (I know Walking Dead kinda did that -- but its because the featured characters didn't know about Negan's executions).

So we can be assured Savitar is defeated in a major way net week, and Wally will be back.

 

[Noname Given]

Also, a commercial for the musical episode basically spoiled any drama for next week's episode. Presumably no one dies (other than perhaps Savitar)...since it would be awfully quick to get into a fun episode (I know Walking Dead kinda did that -- but its because the featured characters didn't know about Negan's executions).

So we can be assured Savitar is defeated in a major way net week, and Wally will be back.

^^^
No, no, no....Savatar nearly kills barry Allen/Flash this coming week - and that following episode is Barry's delusion as he hovers near death.

 

[Romulan_spy]

So we can be assured Savitar is defeated in a major way net week, and Wally will be back.

Wally will be back for sure. But I don't think it is guaranteed that Savatar will be defeated next week. I am assuming that Savatar will be defeated in the season finale.

 

[Snaploud]

^^^
No, no, no....Savatar nearly kills barry Allen/Flash this coming week - and that following episode is Barry's delusion as he hovers near death.

Or their memories are temporarily wiped, and the gang is oblivious to Wally's plight. The episode will end with everybody happily settling down to dinner and H.R. saying, "Does anybody else feel like we've forgotten something important?" to be followed by a cut of Wally screaming while inside the speed force.

 

[Jax]

So let me get this timeline in the right order...

* Barry will witness the creation of Savitar in the present

* That version of Barry will send Savitar into the speed force as a prison

* Savitar at somepoint realised he could break out in small portions and that's what he saw at the start of season 3 with his fight against Barry & Jay (However he was always dragged back into the speed force no matter what)

* Savitar came up with his plan to break out when Barry created Flashpoint, I assume he used the speed force to pop in/out of history at all points, to create the myth/religion around him so his followers could find/use the stone for his purposes in the present.

* Savitar tricked them into throwing the stone into the speed force but Caitlin kept a piece, so he tricked Wally into giving him the last piece.

Am I right?

Ok one giant flaw in Savitar's plan...Now Barry knows what he will do, whats to stop Barry from killing him at his origin point when they will first meet from the POV of Savitar. WHAT ON EARTH would/will possess Barry to throw Savitar into the speed force because he already knows the eventual outcome?

Time Travel hurts

 

[LJones41]

I don't mind the romance and drama on the show, but this Savitar arc has been dragging on. He's an uber-powerful villain who hails himself as a god, but we know Flash and the gang will eventually kick his ass. But please, get on with it!

They've just aired the 15th episode of the season. They've got at least seven more to go. And since Savitar is the Big Bad of the season, aren't you trying to rush things a bit?

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

I could have sworn I saw light blond hair through the backside of his helmet/mask.
I agree with the Julian/Savitar theory.
Also, how convenient, that Julian showed up right after Flashpoint.