They also had the option of injecting Zoom with that knockout juice. You know, the one flash used on flash. It avoids the use of violence/to kill. Once he is out, you can use the speed stealing device and take his speed. When he wakes up he'll be speed less.
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The last time Barry lost his powers (to Blackout) they came back stronger by the end of the ep, though he had to get a shot of the particle accelerator energy via the treadmill. This temporary depower (if it isn't revealed to be a fake-out to trick Zoom) could be a way of upping Barry to Zoom's level without having to rely on tachyons, V-9 or any other crap, making him truly the fastest man alive.
Yeah, I was actually baffled that they didn't even try to trick Zoom. The moment Barry agreed to it, I had assumed it was part of a ruse they had concocted earlier, with Barry pretending to lose his powers on the treadmill, and the vile 'charging up' with Velocity 9 or something. That would trick Zoom into thinking he just got a supercharge, but would (hopefully) result in him disappearing into the speed force like the last chick.
But, doing something like that would mean the writers would have had to have paid attention to their own storytelling, so I guess that's a good enough explanation for why something like that didn't happen.
But, doing something like that would mean the writers would have had to have paid attention to their own storytelling, so I guess that's a good enough explanation for why something like that didn't happen.
Boy am I getting bitter about these shows. XD
Earlier this season, he lost 5 percent of his power or so, to Zoom, but it has come back naturally. Hopefully its just a matter of time before he recharges again.
OK, I got the time to watch this today. The stupid was strong with Barry in this one. So strong I think it may be one of the particle accelerator explosion superpowers.
• Desperately need a way get to other universe, don't tell anyone you just found one. Check.
• Open a breach to Zoom without even wearing your new tachyon thing, only get saved because Cisco gets scared right on time. Check.
• Scold Supergirl for not having a plan for a garden variety meta*, then be in such a hurry to make a half-assed plan for stopping your most dangerous foe. Check.
• When you actually get him, abruptly stop hurrying—give him time to escape while you're babbling. Check.
• Consider for real that giving Zoom everything that he wants is actually a good idea. Checkmate.
If I thought getting Snart's help to drive some metahumans across town was a bad idea, I apologise. This one takes the cake. Such recklessness should get his speedster license suspended for a year.
(* Did Barry even have a plan for Blackout? Or for almost anyone for that matter? That Supergirl moment was WTF for me.)
ETA: Barry's journey to Supergirl's Earth could have been dismissed in a few lines without seeming stupid when they're looking for a way to Earth-2.
Barry: “How long was I gone?”
Caitlin: “Gone where?”
Barry: “I travelled to another Earth and I met... an alien.”
Cisco: “Oh, come on Barry, there are no aliens, you're having speed inebriation.”
And then when suggesting Cisco can do it, he starts with “Outside of my ‘speed inebriation’, I think I have an idea...”
• Desperately need a way get to other universe, don't tell anyone you just found one. Check.
• Open a breach to Zoom without even wearing your new tachyon thing, only get saved because Cisco gets scared right on time. Check.
• Scold Supergirl for not having a plan for a garden variety meta*, then be in such a hurry to make a half-assed plan for stopping your most dangerous foe. Check.
• When you actually get him, abruptly stop hurrying—give him time to escape while you're babbling. Check.
• Consider for real that giving Zoom everything that he wants is actually a good idea. Checkmate.
If I thought getting Snart's help to drive some metahumans across town was a bad idea, I apologise. This one takes the cake. Such recklessness should get his speedster license suspended for a year.
(* Did Barry even have a plan for Blackout? Or for almost anyone for that matter? That Supergirl moment was WTF for me.)
ETA: Barry's journey to Supergirl's Earth could have been dismissed in a few lines without seeming stupid when they're looking for a way to Earth-2.
Barry: “How long was I gone?”
Caitlin: “Gone where?”
Barry: “I travelled to another Earth and I met... an alien.”
Cisco: “Oh, come on Barry, there are no aliens, you're having speed inebriation.”
And then when suggesting Cisco can do it, he starts with “Outside of my ‘speed inebriation’, I think I have an idea...”
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Yeah, I'm completely puzzled by this. First with Wells---he hears its actually Hunter Zolomon and then realizes that Zoom is actually this other Speedster that he knew about all along? Can somebody explain that?
Also, does this mean that there was never a Flash on Earth 2--only Zoom pretending to be a super-hero?
And then Zoom's time remnant explanation also makes no sense. Finally, why does he keep using the "voice" every time the mask is on.
Also, does this mean that there was never a Flash on Earth 2--only Zoom pretending to be a super-hero?
And then Zoom's time remnant explanation also makes no sense. Finally, why does he keep using the "voice" every time the mask is on.
No, he didn't know Zolomon was a speedster, just that he was a serial killer. I think he only just now realized that Zolomon must've been given speed powers by the accelerator explosion. Although it was confusingly presented.
Unclear. Berlanti has tweeted something indicating that there may still be a real Jay Garrick out there.
He even used it when the mask was off for a bit. The Evil Tony Todd Voice must be one of his superpowers. Maybe he's got some sort of split-personality thing going on, and he vibrates his larynx differently when the Zoom persona takes over.
To be fair, on just this one point, if anyone should have sensed there were bad vibes with what was on the other side of the portal, it's the guy actually named Vibe.
The real Jay Garrick has to be the man in the mask, doesn't it?
Its either the real Jay Garrick, or it is John Wesley Shipp as the Original Flash, or its both, somehow.
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She kissed him on the cheek. Must be the same kind of amnesia kiss Superman gave Lois back in the late 70s.
It's the Reverse Flash in there, but maybe there's a question about which face he is wearing, because "Eddie" isn't being used so much on Quantico so much any more.
How does Harry have an (Earth 2) Time vault without an (Earth 2) Eobard Thawne?
How does Harry have an (Earth 2) Time vault without an (Earth 2) Eobard Thawne?
John Wesley Shipp as Jay Garrick. ( Who is the original Flash.)
I do think Mask Guy is the real Jay, but I admit, I'm starting to see it as a possibility that Earth-2 will be revealed as the universe in which the '90 Flash took place. After all, it has the same kind of retro-modern, Art Deco design sensibilities as that universe. Although if that does turn out to be the case, it would scuttle my theory that the '90 Flash takes place in the DC Animated Universe (as suggested by the Hamill Trickster's appearance in JLU: "Flash and Substance").
I had the same thought last week.
Oooh, I hadn't considered that...!
In the Christmas episode, when the Trickster was broadcasting to the city, Zolomon says "We don't have a Trickster on Earth-Two" to which Caitlin replies "He's one of a kind".
Wells wasn't in the room when Zolomon says it, but when he walks into the room, he doesn't say anything like "He looks familiar" or "The Flash beat him once".
The 90's Flash wasn't some guy thought of as an urban legend by the general public. There was an episode of that series where some t.v. personality was raising the subject of "Is The Flash bringing the nutjobs out of the woodworks" or something like that, so the public was well aware of him. I'm sure his "Flash Museum" would've been built by the end of the 90's and everyone well aware of him.
I would think that if there was a Flash that predates "Jay" on Earth-Two, that we would've heard about him from Wells or even Zolomon and seen the team seek him out. I'm guessing that if he's the man in the iron mask, that he may have crossed over to Earth-Two and gotten captured.