Spoilers The Flash - Season 2
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Part of me wants to believe Jay/Zoom totally lied to Barry and was messing with him.
Barry is an idiot.
At least the writers are consistent with that idea. They seem to be repeating the same flow from previous episodes. Make Barry look like an idiot. Have it end with serious drama & the next episode have him cry to Joe/Wells/whoever realizing he totally screwed up and resolution.
But it works, since I keep coming back every week to find out what happens.
Barry is an idiot.
At least the writers are consistent with that idea. They seem to be repeating the same flow from previous episodes. Make Barry look like an idiot. Have it end with serious drama & the next episode have him cry to Joe/Wells/whoever realizing he totally screwed up and resolution.
But it works, since I keep coming back every week to find out what happens.
No, he wasn't a "time remnant." Those occur when a change happens while you're off in the Speed Force tunneling through time. Hunter Present and Hunter Past were both in real time when Hunter Present killed Hunter past.
That's why the real Eobard died when Eddie killed himself, but the Eobard that was traveling through time at that point survived and became a "time remnant."
There's nothing confusing about it, really. It was just, quite literally, bad writing. Even if they decide that Hunter was lying about it all, it would still be bad writing because Barry and company didn't go all "uhm, no, that's not how that works..." immediately since they quite literally have first hand experience with the phenomenon.
Remembering Babylon 5 when Vir and Londo are trying to figure out if the poison they are using on the Emperor is instantaneous or nearly Instantaneous.
"Is he he going to die instantly, or is it going to take him just long enough to die, to tell his guards to kill us for poisoning him?"
Of course there's also the original Transformers comics (3 issue miniseries sealed off in a bow, before Marvel knew it was ongoing.) from the 80s, where Megatron kidnaps Sparkplug's kid, threatens to murder the Spike(? Buster?) and then the rest of America, unless Sparkplug figures out how to convert gasoline into Energon... Which he does, and then fills up the fuel tanks of all the starving, running on fumes, Decepticons.
5 minutes later they're all dead, and Sparkplug is kicking Megatron in the head, screaming "No one threatens my children and lives, no one, you metal ratbasard!"
Poison.
It works.
"Is he he going to die instantly, or is it going to take him just long enough to die, to tell his guards to kill us for poisoning him?"
Of course there's also the original Transformers comics (3 issue miniseries sealed off in a bow, before Marvel knew it was ongoing.) from the 80s, where Megatron kidnaps Sparkplug's kid, threatens to murder the Spike(? Buster?) and then the rest of America, unless Sparkplug figures out how to convert gasoline into Energon... Which he does, and then fills up the fuel tanks of all the starving, running on fumes, Decepticons.
5 minutes later they're all dead, and Sparkplug is kicking Megatron in the head, screaming "No one threatens my children and lives, no one, you metal ratbasard!"
Poison.
It works.
But the Decepticons all came back to life over the next few issues and Optimus Prime was totally pwned for a while.
It was Primes job to melt them more to death.
The confusion lies from the writers showing us Future Hunter bringing the corspe of Past Hunter back to the Zoom cave, and acting surprised at holding his dead self... Why act surprised when alone in your crib if you knew you were going to kill yourself as part of this master plan?
*throws hands up in the air*
I've decided to watch this episode again.
I've decided to watch this episode again.
If you get Zooms explanation better than the first time can you pm me to clear it up. I'm being told it's not confusing but it most certainly is.
^^Forget pm, if he gets the explanation, he should post it here.
So Cisco I just met Supergirl, what?
Only complaint with the EP.
Only complaint with the EP.
Okies.
If Barry had taken velocity nine he would have been useless to Zoom, if you're going back in time anyway, and they'd known that at the time, which they didn't, why not does himself with a non lethal strain/doss to junk his DNA and screw Zoom?
The Roman's called it "poisoning the Well".
If Barry had taken velocity nine he would have been useless to Zoom, if you're going back in time anyway, and they'd known that at the time, which they didn't, why not does himself with a non lethal strain/doss to junk his DNA and screw Zoom?
The Roman's called it "poisoning the Well".
4 issue. I'll never forget, because when they got to the final issue (I collected the full run), they put the header back across the top, saying "Issue #80 in a 4-issue Limited Series", and I teared up a bit when I saw it.
But otherwise, yeah - poison would have been great. So would Barry not deciding to stand around talking with Zoom when he had the upper hand. He should have knocked his butt out and kept him that way. Or, you know, just gone ahead and done away with him - this guy *did* kill Other Joe (and Other Ronnie and Cisco, if we care about that) and damn near killed Barry, and would be dangerously difficult to keep contained alive, so I think that would be justified.
I know from the preview that Barry has lost his powers. Of course, it will be temporary. But if turns out that Team Flash did not trick Zoom somehow and they really did him ALL of Barry's powers and only by luck does Barry get his powers back, I am going to be very upset and disappointed.
More than half of Barry's speed comes from technology now.
Shouldn't anyone in Barry's red suit be able to top mach 6?
"grumble"
Shouldn't anyone in Barry's red suit be able to top mach 6?
"grumble"
I'm increasingly convinced that as of his disappearing/reappearing act at the beginning of the episode, that is not Earth-1 Barry.
Which in no way would forgive how stupid it would be on the part of whatever Barry it IS, or the rest of our usual supporting characters, to have given Zoom everything he wanted.
But doesn't the tachyon thing on Barry's chest still require the user to have the speed force in them to work? My understanding is that it merely gives a boost to the speed force that is already in the person. I doubt any average joe could put one on and instantly be a speedster since they lack any natural speed force.
You mean like Barry?
The tachyon device could obviously Jumpstart him after he runs out of gas, but they're probably not going to do that since they spent all that time inventing the tech and explaining it and sewing the device further into Flash lore.
I think there's a misunderstanding between the TV writers about what the Speed Force is.
They're acting like it's a a small amount of juice in his body, like bone marrow, that once extracted is gone forever, rather than a universal energy field binding reality together like magnetism, gravity or time, that Barry can process like the rest of us process air as we breath.
They should get their shit sorted, before they create canon they don't want to be stuck with.
Oops.
To late.
The tachyon device could obviously Jumpstart him after he runs out of gas, but they're probably not going to do that since they spent all that time inventing the tech and explaining it and sewing the device further into Flash lore.
I think there's a misunderstanding between the TV writers about what the Speed Force is.
They're acting like it's a a small amount of juice in his body, like bone marrow, that once extracted is gone forever, rather than a universal energy field binding reality together like magnetism, gravity or time, that Barry can process like the rest of us process air as we breath.
They should get their shit sorted, before they create canon they don't want to be stuck with.
Oops.
To late.
I saw it last night and I can't make sense of Zoom's explanation for anything really. The time travel logic has me puzzled, taking on the identity of Jay Garrick for kicks then having no one recognize him was forced, and having his past self agree to take part in this scheme seems more like a hand wave. Most of it does actually. It's like the writers didn't plan this through at the beginning and tried to work around what was already in the can. Or maybe there's more to come that will help make everything fit. We'll see.