As cool as that would be, didn't they pretty much give Wally all of Barry's origins and attributes in the JL cartoon? The job in forensics, the accident, etc.... the same way they combined Hal and Kyle.
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As cool as that would be, didn't they pretty much give Wally all of Barry's origins and attributes in the JL cartoon? The job in forensics, the accident, etc.... the same way they combined Hal and Kyle.
Yes. But he didn't. I expected him to sense Zoom and abort, but instead he aborted and pulled out a speech on becoming Darth Vader.
Which is my main complaint about this episode. If you're were trying to get to Zoom, which has so far proven impossible, you'd be paranoid and take double and triple precautions. You'd never rely on one single thing. Have Cisco try to vibe if Zoom is there and coming, but also wear your tachyon enhancer and have everyone standing by with a gun. Then, when you actually catch him, constraint him with the B.O.O.T., give him a slowing-down and tranquillising shots, and activate the Reverse-Flash trap.
If they tried all that and it still failed, and they tried to trick Zoom at the end, but ended up failing, the episode would unfold the exact same way but it wouldn't feel like they were horribly and unexpectedly underestimating their adversary, which was just stupid.
Army Uniform.
The War of the Americas, what ever the heck that turns out to have been.
The War of the Americas, what ever the heck that turns out to have been.
Hmmm...if Zolomon is the same age as Teddy Sears, then his childhood origin scene took place around 1988. Was the world of the 1990 Flash so different that they would have had guys in WWI-style helmets fighting the War of the Americas?
It's the red leather that makes me wonder about if dad was in a special forces elite section of the "army" and not just rank and file. That shit is expensive? Although all that leather could just be as simple as standard attire for a motorcycle division of a military arm?
TWotA is either Civil War II, or North America vs South America.
If they're fighting in/near Canada, I can see a special division of Soldier fighting on luges... But soldiering in South America would be so much easier in Short pants (if it wasn't for the malaria mosquitoes.).
TWotA is either Civil War II, or North America vs South America.
If they're fighting in/near Canada, I can see a special division of Soldier fighting on luges... But soldiering in South America would be so much easier in Short pants (if it wasn't for the malaria mosquitoes.).
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In our world, we actually had our war of the Americas in the 80's but it was fought clandestinely with the USSR and the US supporting different sides in civil conflicts. It doesn't take too much effort to imagine that these conflicts could easily grown and become a more overt conflict.
What if Russia never sold Alaska to the US of A?
If they still had Alaska, Cuba would be irrelevant.
If they still had Alaska, Cuba would be irrelevant.
I know it's painful, but we're so damn close to the end.
We were never really given a detailed look at Wally's origins in the DCAU. Maybe he was a protege of Barry's at the CCPD crime lab, and at some point Barry found it necessary to try to recreate the conditions of his accident, and somehow Wally stumbled in and lightning literally struck twice.
And yes, there's the Flash episode where Barry sees posters for Superman and Batman movies, but there's also a first-season Static Shock episode where the main characters talk about Clark Kent being Superman as if he were a fictional character, yet that show was later folded into the DCAU. And there's a Superman: TAS episode where Lois namedrops Wonder Woman years before Justice League shows Wonder Woman leaving Themyscira for the first time. So there are inconsistencies, but no greater than those that already exist within DCAU canon.
But if it does turn out that the '90 Flash was set on Earth-2, that would mean that Earth-1, Earth-2, and the DCAU are three separate worlds that all have identical versions of the Trickster in them. Is he somehow the one constant presence that exists across the entire Multiverse? Does that mean we could see Mark Hamill on Supergirl?
It's a World War I-style soldier's helmet, a variant of the Brodie helmet. James Zolomon had just come back from a years-long war, and his helmet and leather jacket were implicitly the military uniform of his time. (After all, if they have Art Deco in the 2010s, it's not so great a stretch that they would've used WWI helmets in the '80s.) Hunter Zolomon evidently modified that helmet and jacket, or ones like them, into his Flash uniform.
Oh, that's a good point. Yeah, I was assuming the differences would mostly have emerged in the 25 years since, but if they go that far back, then it probably couldn't be the same Earth. So maybe my DCAU theory is safe.
There's no reason there couldn't have been an earlier version of the Flash on Earth 2--it just never came up in conversation. And if the basics of the nineties series remained intact on Earth 2, that doesn't mean that the individual episodes and stories had to have happened.
Earth II is way too 1950s.
Yeah, let me post this again:
In the Christmas episode, when the Trickster was broadcasting to the city, Zolomon says "We don't have a Trickster on Earth-Two" to which Caitlin replies "He's one of a kind".
Wells wasn't in the room when Zolomon says it, but when he walks into the room, he doesn't say anything like "He looks familiar" or "The Flash beat him once".
The 90's Flash wasn't some guy thought of as an urban legend by the general public. There was an episode of that series where some t.v. personality was raising the subject of "Is The Flash bringing the nutjobs out of the woodworks" or something like that, so the public was aware of him. I'm sure his "Flash Museum" would've been built by the end of the 90's and everyone well aware of him.
I would think that if there was a Flash that predates "Jay" on Earth-Two, that we would've heard about him from Wells or even Zolomon and seen the team seek him out or at least have some discussion or mention of him. That's too big a thing to not get mentioned by someone, especially Wells who would've been in his late 20's when 90's Flash was running around. Old enough to have been fully aware of that Flash, since the first super powered being would be a major historical event. And since he didn't get his powers due to the particle accelerator, I'm sure any discussion of making E-1 Barry faster would've mentioned a guy who got faster without the need for it. I'm guessing that if he's the man in the iron mask, that he may have crossed over to Earth-Two and gotten captured.
If Earth-Two is the world of 90's Flash, then there will have to be an in-universe explanation for why Zolomon would tell Caitlin there was no Trickster, since he has no reason to lie about something like that. It will also need to explain why there has been no mention of their worlds first super powered being by ANY of the Earth-Two characters to date.
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Or '90 Flash got stuck on Earth-2 due to him running really really fast & was just hanging around out of sight until Zoom!
So Mark Hamill is your constant?
I like the theory, but the little details would seem to indicate that it's not what the showmakers have in mind. Would have been a great a-ha moment if they had deliberately done it, though.
My prediction is that if there's another Flash to be revealed, played by a certain actor, he'll be from a different Earth.
My prediction is that if there's another Flash to be revealed, played by a certain actor, he'll be from a different Earth.
The War of the Americas was a war that was mentioned on the Berlanti show Jack & Bobby. Now I'm going to need to go back and rewatch that series.
This is what I am hoping for, in general..... that they can pick pieces from the old shows but not follow the canon to the letter. Multiple Universes and all..... and in a few of them, there might be common genetic doppelgangers, like we're seeing already...... so Shipp playing an Old Flash in multiple worlds, or Hamill being the trickster in at least 3 continuities, work just fine....
As would a Tom Welling Superman, that does not have to conform exactly to Smallville canon.
So many possibilities here.
It can't be Earth 1 or Earth 2 Henry Allen because both were out and about during the time the man in the iron mask was incarcerated, and I don't think they'd bring in another Earth this late in the game.