That would be fun, actually.
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That would be fun, actually.
Not for dead Barry
If he were replaced by smart berry, would we really shed a tear?
Hunter's story just doesn't make any sense. Especially after killing his past self and realizing he's still alive.
Why is he even remotely interested in anyone else's speed force at this point? All he has to do is run back a few seconds, kidnap himself, siphon the speed force from him, then go back another few seconds, kidnap himself, siphon the speed force from him, and so on and so forth. Then after all that, run back to his (relative) present, wait for an egg timer to go off, then run back to the start of that moment, kidnap himself, siphon his own supercharged self, and wash, rinse, repeat.
The whole premise is just silly and yet another example of the wretched writing these shows has in regards to superpowers and internal logic.
Why is he even remotely interested in anyone else's speed force at this point? All he has to do is run back a few seconds, kidnap himself, siphon the speed force from him, then go back another few seconds, kidnap himself, siphon the speed force from him, and so on and so forth. Then after all that, run back to his (relative) present, wait for an egg timer to go off, then run back to the start of that moment, kidnap himself, siphon his own supercharged self, and wash, rinse, repeat.
The whole premise is just silly and yet another example of the wretched writing these shows has in regards to superpowers and internal logic.
I got so confused with Jay/Hunter's explanation of how he was in two places & reasons. I had to come here and read the post to get a better understanding.
because he would simply be taking the tainted speed force from himself.
If you can kill your past self without dying, there's no reason you can't do anything else to your past self and have it affect you.
I left a "not" out of that sentence. Wish I could edit my posts. 
Sorry.
Sorry.
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one confused by Hunter/Zoom/Jay's story. How can he still be alive if it was his past self that was pretending to be Jay, and that he killed. If he killed his past self shouldn't he be gone?
I'm disappointed that Barry just gave up his speed so quickly and easily. After all of the other stuff they've done, and with all of the speed Barry had gotten you'd think they could have found some way to deal with Zoom that didn't include Barry giving up his speed.
It was kind of disappointing that we didn't get more of an acknowledgement of the Supergirl crossover.
I did think having Zoom's backstory be a twist on Barry's was kind of a cool idea, making it almost a what if kind of thing.
So does all of this mean that there's never been a real Jay? I can't see this one going over well with the fans of the character. It is kind of a neat twist for the show, but kind of a crappy thing to do to all of the character's fan who were excited to see him on the show. It reminds me a little bit of The Mandarin twist in Iron Man 3, but at least that one was fun, and given the character it made a bit of sense that they wouldn't wan to do a direct adaptation of the him. That really doesn't work for Jay though, there's no real reason for them to do this to Jay.
I'm disappointed that Barry just gave up his speed so quickly and easily. After all of the other stuff they've done, and with all of the speed Barry had gotten you'd think they could have found some way to deal with Zoom that didn't include Barry giving up his speed.
It was kind of disappointing that we didn't get more of an acknowledgement of the Supergirl crossover.
I did think having Zoom's backstory be a twist on Barry's was kind of a cool idea, making it almost a what if kind of thing.
So does all of this mean that there's never been a real Jay? I can't see this one going over well with the fans of the character. It is kind of a neat twist for the show, but kind of a crappy thing to do to all of the character's fan who were excited to see him on the show. It reminds me a little bit of The Mandarin twist in Iron Man 3, but at least that one was fun, and given the character it made a bit of sense that they wouldn't wan to do a direct adaptation of the him. That really doesn't work for Jay though, there's no real reason for them to do this to Jay.
Berlanti tweeted this out yesterday
So I expect the man in the mask has a role to play with the true Garrick
https://twitter.com/GBerlanti/status/722882921854427138For those inquiring, we love Jay Garrick and would never make him a baddie. No reinvention. Keep watchinglove that you're asking q's.
So I expect the man in the mask has a role to play with the true Garrick
So I'm still trying to wrap my head around this explaination. Young Hunter sees his abusive father torment his mother and is sent to a psychiatric ward. Future Hunter comes back, kills him after asking politely and becomes Zoom, only to take the persona of Jay Garrick. So if I have that right, and I know I don't, who was the Jay Garrick that was with Team Flash for most of the first half of season 2? Who was the guy who Zoom grabbed via the breach and killed him?
This explanation felt like a Doctor Who/Star Trek Voyager, "lets make time travel our plot device without having any sense of realism" situation and I thought Flash was better than that. I guess I should see the episode again, but I probably will be even more confused than I was the first time. I even went to a site recapping the episode and when they got to the explanation, they just called it a long stretch of exposition. I don't think they even bothered to explain it either.
This explanation felt like a Doctor Who/Star Trek Voyager, "lets make time travel our plot device without having any sense of realism" situation and I thought Flash was better than that. I guess I should see the episode again, but I probably will be even more confused than I was the first time. I even went to a site recapping the episode and when they got to the explanation, they just called it a long stretch of exposition. I don't think they even bothered to explain it either.
It would have made more sense to convince his future self to die, not much, but some.
Or, maybe convince your younger self that, "THIS IS WHAT YOU NEED TO WIN, AND I WILL HELP YOU FROM... THE FUTURE!" ("sucker")
That really undercuts the entire season then. Also, like I was saying last night, this episode weakened Zoom. I miss the Zoom that first came to Central City and made Barry his toy. Now that was a scary Zoom. I was really looking forward to that showdown later in the season and based on this episode, I don't think we're going to get it.
I really thought they were going to do the "malcolm thawn/cobalt blue" twins story with Jay. It would have made more sense.
Then I thought they were going to do the split personality/blue lightning/V9 makes you crazy route, making Zoom the bad side with the powers, and Jay the good side with no powers.
They could have had Zoom as a future Jay who turned bad, and by finding the cure, they save Jay from ever going down that route.
The idea they went with seems to be the weekest of the bunch....
I didn't care for this either one. I don't care about the whole Jay Garrick thing.
The Zoom's story is too convoluted.
Ever since Wells first tried to steal the speed force from Barry, I always wondered why couldn't he come up with something that appears to be the speed force, when it would greatly neutralize Zoom's speed.... With the pseudoscience BS we have been seeing on this show, there's no reason why not. Yeah...plot.
The Zoom's story is too convoluted.
Ever since Wells first tried to steal the speed force from Barry, I always wondered why couldn't he come up with something that appears to be the speed force, when it would greatly neutralize Zoom's speed.... With the pseudoscience BS we have been seeing on this show, there's no reason why not. Yeah...plot.
I don't get the impression that Remnant Jay was the Jay they were dealing with the whole time, just for the fake death. The living Zoom clearly remembered his experiences as Jay with Team Flash.