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Spoilers The Flash - Season 2

dodge said:
It can't be Earth 1 or Earth 2 Henry Allen because both were out and about during the time the man in the iron mask was incarcerated, and I don't think they'd bring in another Earth this late in the game.
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Do we know when the masked guy was caught exactly? Couldn't it have been after Henry left early in the season? Maybe he jumped Earth's decades earlier and now that he is out of jail and Barry's okay, he decided to go back to Earth 2 only to get captured by Zoom?
 
theenglish said:
Do we know when the masked guy was caught exactly? Couldn't it have been after Henry left early in the season?
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Earth-1 Henry came back in the Grodd episode, and that was while Jesse was being held by Zoom and she said the masked guy was there even before she was captured.
 
One of my theories is the real Jay Garrick was the Flash on Earth 2 until Zoom captured him and took over his life as Jay and the Flash. Following the explanation used in comics, Jay hid his face using vibrating molecules , so no one had seen Flash's face until Zoom took over.
 
Plus his father is in Atlantis, whereas it was implied that the man in the iron mask had been inprisoned for quite some time when we first met him.
 
I have been following John Wesley Shipp's shooting schedule through his posts on Facebook. Now this might not be accurate but its appears he is not in the season finale. But in the 3 episodes prior to that. He went home to New York before filming of the finale began. Teddy Sears said in an interview that the Man in the Iron Mask is not revealed until that finale. So I highly doubt that character, whomever it is, will be played by Shipp.

My guess is its going to be the real Jay Garrick played by a new actor. I think its highly possible that Shipp will play his role as Barry/The Flash again. Whether this season or later on. But that would have no connection to the mystery man in the mask. That would deserve its own story. Its would be too confusing to Barry to explain that. How would that be connected to "Jay"/Zoom anyways? Zoom has only had his powers for a few years. The 1990 Flash for 26 years. It would have to be a very big fluke of an encounter. For Zoom to capture him.
 
Berlanti or one of the other people from the show did that they are big fans of Jay and there is more going on with him than was revealed in the last episode. So I'm still thinking that the man in the mask is the real Jay and Zoom simply took his identity.
 
I get the sense that Zoom has multiple personality disorder. It's possible that his time duplicates sometime turn good, and he has to eliminate them. As a safety protocol, he may be removing (some or all of) the speed force from those duplicates to make them more pliable. The man in the iron mask may be a 'good' time duplicate that almost managed to take Zoom's place as the primary, and Zoom resents that duplicate enough to keep him jailed.
 
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I'm not a big fan of the time duplicate premise, but that's one way to put it to good use. Zoom, despite being solidified as utterly reprehensible in the last episode, seems to have more ambiguity to him than you see at first glance. It doesn't feel like him pretending to be Jay/The Flash was entirely pretence either. And since this Zoom is unredeemable (or is he?), a time duplicate could get us somewhere. His back story allows for more than Eobard Thawne's did.

Though reading the discussion so far, that's unlikely. The masked man is Jay, the real one, and very likely played by a different actor. I think the tweet by Berlanti leaves little other options.
 
Perhaps the man in the iron mask is a time duplicate resulting from Zoom changing his childhood for the better (resulting in the iron mask's adopted name being Jay Garrick). Zoom may have been speaking from inside knowledge when he told Barry that he was a product of the way he was raised.*

*Though, the latter comment also fits the idea that Jay (also the man in the iron mask, in this scenario) is Zoom from an alternate Earth in which he is adopted to a good family and renamed Garrick.
 
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Crow T. Robot said:
Plus his father is in Atlantis, whereas it was implied that the man in the iron mask had been inprisoned for quite some time when we first met him.
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If I remember at the time, there was speculation that Henry 2 was Zoom, and the scene was analyzed to where he could be missing - his mother tried to return the tickets. Maybe she just didn't want to worry Barry.
 
Snaploud said:
Perhaps the man in the iron mask is a time duplicate resulting from Zoom changing his childhood for the better (resulting in the iron mask's adopted name being Jay Garrick). Zoom may have been speaking from inside knowledge when he told Barry that he was a product of the way he was raised.*

*Though, the latter comment also fits the idea that Jay (also the man in the iron mask, in this scenario) is Zoom from an alternate Earth in which he is adopted to a good family and renamed Garrick.
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I was thinking something similar - since the episode tried to draw a parallel between Zoom and Barry losing their mother's when they were children, maybe Zoom's entire plan of gaining speed (and the reason his younger self would go along with it) is to go back far enough to prevent his mother from being killed. It would parallel the S1 finale, and, if successful, could create a version of himself who was raised with his mother's maiden name as Jay Garrick, and actually *did* become a Hero. The Zoom we know would continue to exist a la Thawne, we would get the real Jay Garrick, and the man in the mask can be the 1990s Flash from another Earth, imprisoned.
 
Phoenix219 said:
If I remember at the time, there was speculation that Henry 2 was Zoom, and the scene was analyzed to where he could be missing - his mother tried to return the tickets. Maybe she just didn't want to worry Barry.
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That's a pretty silly thing to do since, you know, both Barry and his wife work at the police department. And his wife is a detective.

Or are you proposing that moms didn't even bother to let the police know he was missing for however many months (years?) he's been locked up?
 
Crow T. Robot said:
That's a pretty silly thing to do since, you know, both Barry and his wife work at the police department. And his wife is a detective.

Or are you proposing that moms didn't even bother to let the police know he was missing for however many months (years?) he's been locked up?
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Right, especially if it was only months, and not knowing if she has been threatened in some way (or if Barry was threatened if she told anyone - Zoom likes holding family hostage.) This was before the trip to E2 to see Iris as a police officer, of course, but its still technically viable.
 
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Phoenix219 said:
Right, especially if it was only months, and not knowing if she has been threatened in some way (or if Barry was threatened if she told anyone - Zoom likes holding family hostage.) This was before the trip to E2 to see Iris as a police officer, of course, but its still technically viable.
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Err, so you're suggesting that Zoom has also threatened his neighbors, co-workers, and friends as well, all to keep Barry in the dark on Earth-2 even though he very likely had no idea about Earth-1 at the time, let alone that Barry was Earth-1's Flash? For quite literally months if not years?
 
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