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The Final Frontier: Not So Bad!
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Sorry, but it is.
The one moment I can never forgive in this film is Scotty hitting his head. That was so out of character for Scotty and was completely out of place for Star Trek. I mean, what the hell, slapstick comedy?! It wasn't funny. It was just cringe-worthy and embarrassing as hell (for the audience). If they somehow took that part out of the movie then I could actually like it. But that one part is just so bad it completely kills the entire movie.
It was hilarious in the trailer. Every time I saw the trailer, run before some other film, my friends and I - and the general audience - fell about laughing! Every time!
It's when you see the scene in context that you feel sorry for Scotty. Mind you, the Enterprise-A may not have been an exact duplicate of the original, so although Mr Scott knew the first Enterprise like the back of his hand, this one had some bulkheads in funny places.
And occasionally, Trek slapstick is pretty funny. I just don't think Scotty was paying much attention and got clomped.
And it was an admirable pratfall for Doohan.
Funny, no one gives By Any Other Name shit for Scotty getting drunk and sliding down the wall. "I've got to get this to the Captain..." Plonk.
Funny, no one gives By Any Other Name shit for Scotty getting drunk and sliding down the wall. "I've got to get this to the Captain..." Plonk.
I'd say Scotty's been set up for it... How many times did he say how well he knew the Enterprise's innards?
I firmly believe that if The Shat was given the opportunity and the cash to go back with the present technology and fix the film the way he wanted--i.e "Lucasize" the film--it could easily be the best of all the films.
It doesn't rely on silly, mediocre action like the so called "best" Star Trek films do. It's got heart and character and represents "Star Trek" far better than the other nine movies.
And it's the stupidity of the humor that makes it great.
"Hold your horse, Captain, I'm scanning..."
I mean... cummon!
It doesn't rely on silly, mediocre action like the so called "best" Star Trek films do. It's got heart and character and represents "Star Trek" far better than the other nine movies.
And it's the stupidity of the humor that makes it great.
"Hold your horse, Captain, I'm scanning..."
I mean... cummon!
I agree. The perceived problem with this film is such things as acion and SFx and so forth. Someone once said to me 'it's too much about the characters'
well that's why I like it. It's the return of the TOS kind of story telling to the big screen..... the only other time it could be seen as well is in the slow-motion picture which had WAY too much SFX.
STFF- 8/10
(they lose a point for destroying Pioneer 10 after the craft had survived for so long!)
well that's why I like it. It's the return of the TOS kind of story telling to the big screen..... the only other time it could be seen as well is in the slow-motion picture which had WAY too much SFX.
STFF- 8/10
(they lose a point for destroying Pioneer 10 after the craft had survived for so long!)
The characters are out of character; the humor forces you to laugh AT the characters instead of with them, as in STIV; the moments with the "triad" were badly scripted and verbalized the character dynamic in a way that was unnecessary, and cheapened its value; the script contradicted established TOS lore; in short you can fix FX, but you CANNOT fix what is wrong with STV. In terms of bad movies, Plan 9 from Outer Space is awful but no one really knew any better at the time, STV is unforgivable because they DID know better.
RAMA
The "back of my hand" gag would worked if it was a classic pratfall, where just as Scotty says that, someone puts something behind him that isn't normally there, like the old ladder gag. Scotty knows the ship like the back of his hand, but he doesn't know where some dumbass is gonna leave a mop.
But that's exactly the point. The new Enterprise-A is not an exact duplicate of the version Kirk destroyed over Genesis. The other Enterprise didn't have a pipe there, not the ones on the floor they were stepping over.
Standard TFF Review time...
Pros: Great character interaction from the big three, a nice messgae, a big heart, lovely bridge design.
Cons: Shitty effects, lousy cheap sets, lousy padding with the supporting cast, scary 60-something woman gets naked, etc etc.
At the end of the day its just a movie - you either enjoy it or you don't. I don't think anyone can claim any of the ten movies as great art.
Okay, since I'm one of those who always shoots his mouth off about others getting to the point where they're recalling memories and not the actual movie or episode, I went back and watched this one again.
Just as bad as I remembered it to be. I think I cringed even more this time.
Such promise with such a unique opening on Nimbus III and a Laughing Vulcan. Then the phenomenal Yosemite Suite by Goldsmith.
Then came the rocket boots ... it was all downhill from there.
One of THE main things you NEVER pitch to Star Trek is The Long Lost Sibling dead horse.
Nimbus III -- abandoned by Starfleet and the other empires? No. Starfleet would have done its best to make it work or they would have left. They never would have let it devolve into Thunderdome.
McCoy committing euthanasia, even to spare his father? Nope.
Don't even get me started on the Sarek's wives and children timeline problems.
Kirk's "pain" should have been David. Or more OBVIOUSLY David.
Didn't buy the virtually instant conversion of Sulu, Uhura and the others.
Almost a cardboard cutout of the Enterprise being pulled into warp by a string. Or so it looked.
EXPLAINING every joke and using really old ones. ("We're lost." "But we're making good time.") A real knee-slapper.
Spock MUGGING into the camera after "I miss my old chair."
Enterprise not ready to fly yet AGAIN ...
Scotty doing bad Buster Keaton routines.
Hey! Let's finally throw in a toilet scene!
Sulu and Chekov checking out a Klingon's butt. I'm surprised they didn't giggle and snort while doing it.
And if that's not the worst old trick in a bad movie, let's humiliate the leads by having them SING. Better yet, SING while DRUNK!
A Romulan diplomat who coos like a Hooters waitress.
Some say TFF has the most feel of a TOS episode. And I agree. Unfortunately, it's along the lines of "And the Children Shall Lead", "Spock's Brain", "Miri", or "The Omega Glory".
Does the entire movie suck? Of course not. It has one of the most stirring moments in all of Trek to me: when Kirk puts his hand on the placard that says "Where No Man Has Gone Before." The music, the moment and the characters are just amazing in those 5-6 seconds.
And I still get chills seeing Half Dome and hearing Goldsmith's Yosemite Suite.
But Spock's long lost brother, religious con artists and making incredibly good time crossing the galaxy are just three of the many, many poorly conceived ideas in the movie.
--Ted
Just as bad as I remembered it to be. I think I cringed even more this time.
Such promise with such a unique opening on Nimbus III and a Laughing Vulcan. Then the phenomenal Yosemite Suite by Goldsmith.
Then came the rocket boots ... it was all downhill from there.
One of THE main things you NEVER pitch to Star Trek is The Long Lost Sibling dead horse.
Nimbus III -- abandoned by Starfleet and the other empires? No. Starfleet would have done its best to make it work or they would have left. They never would have let it devolve into Thunderdome.
McCoy committing euthanasia, even to spare his father? Nope.
Don't even get me started on the Sarek's wives and children timeline problems.
Kirk's "pain" should have been David. Or more OBVIOUSLY David.
Didn't buy the virtually instant conversion of Sulu, Uhura and the others.
Almost a cardboard cutout of the Enterprise being pulled into warp by a string. Or so it looked.
EXPLAINING every joke and using really old ones. ("We're lost." "But we're making good time.") A real knee-slapper.
Spock MUGGING into the camera after "I miss my old chair."
Enterprise not ready to fly yet AGAIN ...
Scotty doing bad Buster Keaton routines.
Hey! Let's finally throw in a toilet scene!
Sulu and Chekov checking out a Klingon's butt. I'm surprised they didn't giggle and snort while doing it.
And if that's not the worst old trick in a bad movie, let's humiliate the leads by having them SING. Better yet, SING while DRUNK!
A Romulan diplomat who coos like a Hooters waitress.
Some say TFF has the most feel of a TOS episode. And I agree. Unfortunately, it's along the lines of "And the Children Shall Lead", "Spock's Brain", "Miri", or "The Omega Glory".
Does the entire movie suck? Of course not. It has one of the most stirring moments in all of Trek to me: when Kirk puts his hand on the placard that says "Where No Man Has Gone Before." The music, the moment and the characters are just amazing in those 5-6 seconds.
And I still get chills seeing Half Dome and hearing Goldsmith's Yosemite Suite.
But Spock's long lost brother, religious con artists and making incredibly good time crossing the galaxy are just three of the many, many poorly conceived ideas in the movie.
--Ted
"McCoy committing euthanasia, even to spare his father? Nope."
Why? That's the only scene in the movie that works.
Why? That's the only scene in the movie that works.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
This is the same Starfleet that is in the era of letting the Federation sweep Genesis under the rug, a time in the Bennettverse when there's a feeling of political paranoia that seems Watergate/Xfileish to me. It isn't surprising at all that Nimbus could have happened.
As for the McCoy thing ... I think it really works well (but then I really love this movie, despite all the flaws, cuz I LIKE THESE GUYS SINGING ROUND THE CAMPFIRE AND MUSING ABOUT DEATH.)
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