Spoilers The Falcon and Winter Soldier discussion

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  1. Timelord Victorious

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    6 or so episodes?
     
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  2. The Wormhole

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    Yep, six episodes as per IMDB.
     
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  3. DEWLine

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    Barnes was publicly known as a fugitive. His pardon and the terms of it would have made the news too.
     
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    Probably buried in a single paragraph somewhere. The Blip itself would be the dominant news story by far for months after the fact.
     
  5. UssGlenn

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    Even if he does know Bucky is the winter soldier, which is unlikely, he still has no idea that his son got caught up in a past mission.
     
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  6. Anwar

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    Okay, so to revise my prior post on whether Rhodey knew what was going on...

    ...If he did, he might have been trying to ask Sam why he didn't take up the Mantle in hopes that if he did then it would've scuttled the Government's new Cap plan. But he didn't want to be too overt about it.
     
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  7. Turtletrekker

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    It would have been revealed when Natasha released all of the classified files.
     
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  8. UssGlenn

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    You are overestimating the cross pollination of databases. The Winter Soldier files would have listed the assassination target, and even if they noted there was collateral damage, it wouldn't have names. Someone would have to manually cross check Winter Soldier missions with local police records to identify other victims. And I seriously doubt any one has done that.
     
  9. Noname Given

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    Plus - Do you really think Hydra (within SHIELD) wouldn't have a contingency in place to somehow redact or filter/redact its info before it got into wide distribution on the Internet? The ability to dump files to the internet was definitely known as Pierce knew EXACTLY what Natasha was doing as she was doing it.
     
  10. LaxScrutiny

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    This is all way too speculative. The information Nat made public is obviously driven by the power of plot. If the writers need it revealed, it's revealed. If they need it hidden, it stays hidden.

    At the moment I don't see Yori scouring the released files on the intermet for the code-name of the assassin, and then cross referencing it to find the name Bucky Barnes. Still, if he needs to know for the sake of plot, he will know.

    Meanwhile, if Pierce knowing exactly what Natasha was doing affected the data released, then we can assume ALL the data was about as accurate as a QAnon theory. For now, I take what was said in Winter Soldier as being what happened.
     
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  11. TREK_GOD_1

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    The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
    Episode 1: "New World Order"

    Sam/Falcon: I was glad to see the character continuity regarding Sam's feelings (and in a sense, loss) for Steve; he still believes the world needs a Captain America--but not the Wilson version. His loyalty and belief in Rogers is admirable, but no one--Rhodes included--thinks that the restored world is beyond the way Rogers would have approached matters.

    Another bit of the showrunners being aware of where the characters should be at this point in time: Sam's hand-to-hand combat skills, which are far more advanced that what was seen in Captain America: Civil War or Avengers: Infinity War. He was able to take on the highly skilled Batroc, almost matching the villain's abilities.

    Sam says, "Everytime something gets better for one group, its gets worse for another." That line has more than one meaning which is supposed to be addressed at some point in the season.

    Bucky/Winter Soldier: The pardoned Bucky still suffers from PTSD (realizing he murdered Yori's son) which has to be particularly hard for him, as he's remembering every action taken while working for Hydra. He gets some enjoyment out of mock uncooperative behavior with Dr. Raynor (who mentioned he's ignored Sam's text messages), but he's far from being that happy, confident man last seen in The First Avenger. I suppose that side of himself is truly dead.

    His trying to open up with Leah was awkward (in a he's been out of practice for decades way), but since actress Miki Ishikawa is listed as appearing in every episode, she might end up being the one to break him out of his shell.

    Sarah Wilson: Ahh, more grounded plotting--her troubles with the banks (rejected loans) and selling the family boat & home, which was going to happen no matter who her brother is, and his service to the world. She does guilt trip him about his joining the service while their father--and her husband died, leaving the family's burden's on her shoulder. Of the Wilson siblings, she's the hard realist, already knowing what the outcome of going to another bank would be. The character is simply serving as a comment on the kind of unequal treatment black Americans face when it comes to building a business, buying a home--many things. There's hardly a way to climb a ladder if its rungs are purposely greased by members of the dominant society.

    The Flag-Smashers: Dovich, the enhanced member of this group would be believed to have a date to run into Bucky, but it would upend expectations to have Sam be the one to face him, pitting his Cap-branded skills against one who is another kind of super soldier.

    NOTES:
    Some are questioning why Sam is not on some sort of Avengers/Stark company payroll, but one has to as, why would he be? at this point, there's not really a team anymore (holding off for the next film phase), so he--like everyone else has to return to the military (Air Force, in Sam's case) or the private sector. That's one of the plot lines I like about this episode, as it keeps this kind of Marvel character's feet in something nearing reality when they are not working in the superhero environment. Grounded was and always will be the best of the MC/TVU, and that only seems to work with what one might describe as "Captain America legacy characters" or the leads from the cancelled Netflix series (Luke Cage and the The Punisher in particular) .

    If it has not been posted in this thread yet, Anthony Mackie, EP Malcolm Spellman and Kevin Feige tease that the series will deal with what it means for a black man to use that red, white and blue shield with what it represents...

    Falcon and Winter Soldier' team on rebooted Captain America: 'What does it mean for a Black man to pick up such an iconically white symbol?'

    This should be a chapter of the MC/TVU like no other.

    GRADE: A.
     
  12. JD

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    All of the series are going to come out to 6ish hours, so for the hour long shows like The Falcon & The Winter Soldier, that comes out to 6 episodes, and for the half hour shows, like WandaVision, it comes out to 9. Not sure yet if we know which other shows will be 1/2 an hour and which will be 1 hour.
     
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  13. The Nth Doctor

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    Addition to all of that, much of those files were encrypted, as noted by Zemo in Civil War and it took him a long time to decrypt that data.
     
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    Ehhh, you'll have to forgive me I was seven, and I never really collected Marvel--but now I am pissed off at myself that I read the s**t out of that comic--ripped pages and everything.
     
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  15. DEWLine

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    Helmut Zemo has already demonstrated the value of patience, with that decoding.

    How many years since the Sokovia Accords?
     
  16. Anwar

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    For the Unsnapped, it's been 7-8 years.

    For the Snapped, it was 2.

    We don't know if Zemo was snapped or not yet.
     
  17. Nerys Myk

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    Every time the word "snap" shows up in this thread my mind goes to "Snap" Wilson. (who I doubt will show up in this or the MCU at large)
     
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  18. Turtletrekker

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    Likewise. Just as well. The "Snap" Wilson origin for the Falcon was racist as hell.
     
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  19. Nerys Myk

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    The one problem I had with the Englehart/Buscema/Robbins run. Even in the 70's it was WTF??
     
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    I'll never believe that.