Spoilers The Falcon and Winter Soldier discussion

What if Yori already knows and has already forgiven Bucky.

 

The one thing this series could have used that they can't (thanks to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.) is Jeffrey Mace. This show might be more interesting if they used a few of the comic pretenders to the throne (of Captain America).

That being said, I enjoyed it. Loved them bringing up the question of whether the Avengers members had day jobs. Liked the hero worship and it still not being enough for the purposes of the bank. And I liked Sam bringing up the "Myself and a billion other have a five-year gap in our resumes". Enjoyed Bucky's date and the opening action sequence.

It definitely felt like a first part, so I am not going to judge it as an individual episode.

 

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. isn't in the same continuity, so they could use Mace if they wanted to.

 

Matt Shackman says this about The Darkhold...

"Yes, we designed it anew. We didn't look at the other Darkhold's that had been designed. It's part of the Marvel Universe though, so I imagine it's the same book."


https://www.google.com/amp/s/screen...ld-darkhold-connection-director-response/amp/

 

I remember when I was collecting Avengers comics way back in the '70's & '80's it was mentioned by characters back then that they received a monthly 'stipend' from Stark, if memory serves. The amount was never stated tho.

From what Sam say's here, that doesn't seem to be the case in the MCU. All that aside, I thought it was a good first episode. Looking forward to the rest of the series.

 

Again, even before the Snap Sam had been an international fugitive for 2 years. Any holdings he had would've been seized by the Government and they probably didn't/couldn't give him everything back due to the economic collapse during the 5 years.

So that's 7 years of nothing.

 

A thousand dollars a month for reserve members.

They printed the entire Avengers Charter in the back of an annual in the 80s.

If Spider-Man was collecting that, then he's a whiny little b##ch, or he was wasting it all on Mary-Jane.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Avengers_Charter\

Avengers Annual 11 (1967).

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-sG40yxnd...MUtpA3EKfoU6WF8M1xoWvIACLcB/s1600/charter.gif

Active members get a thousand a week, and reserve members get a hundred a month.

Any one who does not collect their stipend, that money is put into a retirement fund.

I wonder if Stark showed up to the Maria Stark Foundation collect his stipend once a month when he was homeless and living drunk on the street in the early 80s?

No one cares about D-Man being homeless. It's funny.

Wait?

The Superhero registration act.

Three choices.

Retirement, register, or Jail.

That would have triggered several retirement packages.

Even Ben Grim who went to France.

The US emptied his Billion dollar bank balance, so he probably needed that 6 grand he'd banked as a reserve west coast Avenger.

 

Were the Avengers working for Stark or SHIELD? Fury put them together and Stark seems to have bankrolled them.

 

If Trump is a model for Stark behaviour...

In the beginning, Stark would have been renting out most of Stark Tower to S.H.I.E.L.D. to use as Avengers headquarters.

Dude must have made a mint off that.

 

Shield ended in Winter Soldier, stark confirmed he bankrolled them in Ultron.

I appreciate what they’re trying to do in exposing such a terrible system (one where the sister is paying more per month on loans than if she consolidated but the bank won’t let her consolidate), it just seems unrealistic (yea, on a planet with wizzards) that the avengers would be allowed to have money problems.

 

What makes you think that he might have known? Civil War?

He didn't explicitly say that the Avengers paid nothing, did he? I thought he made a comment that there was a lot of good will involved.

 

Plus there's also the fact that Wilson was 'blipped' for 5 years. So I'm sure any funds he had received via any Avengers stipend were a part of his estate, and his sister probably already got all that money and used it. Once he returned, after the funeral for Tony Stark, I kind of doubt he went to Pepper Potts and said, "So, do I get the stipend for the 5 years I was 'away'?..."

From the dialogue in the show it's clear that Wilson's sister used their parents house (which was his); because again it was part of his estate and he was effectively dead, and no one believed any of the blipped were coming back.

So now of course on his return, he's obviously working for the US government/military, and I'm sure he's being paid for things like what we saw in the opening action sequence. That said, even if it was on the loan application, at this point he probably doesn't have long enough history of employment, or the salary isn't considered large enough given the amount of money they are requesting.

And it's still very similar to the real world as well, so race could in fact still be an aspect of the loan denial, even though Sam Wilson is a decorated veteran and well-known world-renowned superhero.

 

It's funny, I vaguely remember an early 60s Spiderman story where Pete shows up at the Baxter building and hits Reed up for a paying job as a member of the team. Reed explains that they don't get salaries.

 

I believe that would actually be Amazing Spider-Man number 1.

 

And he was a wanted criminal for a couple of years prior to that.

 

How could he? It was a Winter Soldier mission, therefore Top Secret and Bucky was wearing a mask. Remember that Pierce shot his housekeeper just because she saw the Winter Soldier so since Yori is alive he shouldn't know what Bucky did during his time as Winter Soldier.

Not that we'll ever know the actual details of superhero finances i can only guess that some heroes would be too proud to ask for handouts just the same as some people who are too proud to ask for government assistance even if they would have the right to it.

However this is a Marvel show, while kudos for getting a bit more "real" than the movies i doubt they'd go deeper because it's not a social documentary but an action show.

 

Probably. I remember I had it as a reprint in one of the annuals. I think I was about 9 or 10.

In the mid 80s I was in my room reading the latest issue and Peter had a futon on the floor and a big wooden cable spool for a table. Just like me. I went to my roommate's room and showed him. He had the same furniture. Always nice when you can live the life of a super hero.

 

I remember a "What If" issue where the FF accepted Peter's offer and they became the Fantastic Five.

 

What if #1.

Did anyone read past the first issue of anything?

 

Must have been a reprint of some kind as I remember that story as well.

I really enjoyed this, maybe not as out there as WandaVision but after WV I guess we needed something more typically MCU, especially with Loki coming next so I think this is well planned. Not that this felt generic by any stretch of the imagination, and I'm glad they didn't parachute Sam straight into being Cap. Nice to see Sam and Bucky's separate lives but looking forward to them teaming up and hope we don't have to wait too long for that. new Cap looks a wrong un to me!

How many episodes is this? Comparable to WV or more?