Spoilers The Falcon and Winter Soldier discussion

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

On the other hand, with some many people being lost, it also wouldn’t surprise me if bureaucracy never managed to purge all the blipped people out of their systems in mere 5 years.
If that is the case , it might have been surprisingly easy for them to just slip back into it, even to the point where they could just step into their old jobs again simply by showing up.
The lack of resources though is still the major issue.

 

[Anwar]

^^^ All good observations. My main reaction was that the issue was dealt with in a really shallow way, and I'm guessing now that the action is starting we won't hear much about it resolving. Hope I'm wrong but, hey, it's a comic.

Up-thread someone mentioned that Sam's sister would have inherited all Sam's assets and apparently none are left. She needs to STFU about Sam stepping up to look at the finances first hand.

Sam probably didn't have any assets for her to inherit. Becoming an international fugitive would mean his pensions would've been canceled if he had any and all holdings he had would've been seized. Then due to the economic chaos of the 5 year Apocalypse, when Sam was restored the Government just may not have had any money to give back to him.

As for FFH not expanding on it more...again, it's 8 months later and some of the kids were shown to be not wholly adjusted. Others told them to stop complaining, probably as a coping mechanism. That, and Spider-Man stories have never been very good at dealing with these bigger world issues. This goes all the way back to the comics.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Aliens would be dealing with similar issues, so I wouldn't hold out too much hope on that end. Wakanda, on the other hand, would have had a great opportunity to unite most of the third world countries while the "wealthy" ones were distracted. Of course, the instinct would have been strong for Wakanda to turn inward.

The only aliens really involved in Earth was Asgard, which suffered massive depopulation from Hela, from Thanos' attack, and then from the snap, a leader who turned inw

Wakanda will be up for keeping Earth as a whole safe, but with the loss of T'Challa and Shuri and the recent civil war and the strife elsewhere will certainly raise some concerns. The reference to the earthquake under the coast showed some sort of tension

If anything the snap would cause less impact than

even to the point where they could just step into their old jobs again simply by showing up.

Possibly for government jobs (like at sword), but not for private jobs - many businesses wouldn't even exist.

Then due to the economic chaos of the 5 year Apocalypse, when Sam was restored the Government just may not have had any money to give back to him

With this sort of strife it's not a matter of finding assets, its a matter of controlling resources. "Money" wise is a matter of printing. Economic collapse would occur after the blip without radical changes, GDP would massivly drop, international commerce would end, property ownership rights take second fiddle to those with the power

As for FFH not expanding on it more...again, it's 8 months later and some of the kids were shown to be not wholly adjusted. Others told them to stop complaining, probably as a coping mechanism

Sure, that's probably a realistic way of dealing with the localised mental impact. For an international tourism sector to still exist seems unlikely.

 

[Anwar]

Sure, that's probably a realistic way of dealing with the localised mental impact. For an international tourism sector to still exist seems unlikely.

Why? You'd think other countries would be happy to generate money anyway they could. Or it's a new initiative to get people to readjust by saying "See, we can do this sort of thing again!"

The kind of Initiatives that people like the Flag Smashers aren't happy about, because they don't WANT the old ways to just be restarted.

 

[The Wormhole]

Half the population disappears, and there are a number of additional casualties, like the patient on the operating table who's surgeon disappears, or the passengers on an air liner who's crew disappears, etc.

On a related note, wouldn't people returning in the "Unblip" also cause serious problems, and probably more casualties? When people returned, they came back exactly where they were at when they left, and I mean in the exact spot. We see the footage in Far From Home of the kids at the school being removed and returned, the cheerleaders who were doing the human pyramid when they blipped, the come back at the same height above the ground, which since they're no longer standing on someone else, causes them to fall to the floor.

So, what about people who blipped at a crosswalk? They return in the middle of a crosswalk, only it's on the Don't Walk light. They could end up being run over. Or people driving when they blipped would end up on the road they were on, essentially in the middle of traffic. Never mind the people who blipped while they were on airplanes, helicopters, boats or submarines.

Even the unblipping could end up just as horrible for many as blipping was, and could cause just as much carnage in the short term as the Blip itself undoubtedly did.

 

[Anwar]

The Russos said that Banner was careful in making sure that everyone brought back was brought back safely and not in dangerous situations/areas like in the middle of the road or mid-air or in buildings that had been torn down since.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

Sam probably didn't have any assets for her to inherit. Becoming an international fugitive would mean his pensions would've been canceled if he had any and all holdings he had would've been seized. Then due to the economic chaos of the 5 year Apocalypse, when Sam was restored the Government just may not have had any money to give back to him.

As for FFH not expanding on it more...again, it's 8 months later and some of the kids were shown to be not wholly adjusted. Others told them to stop complaining, probably as a coping mechanism. That, and Spider-Man stories have never been very good at dealing with these bigger world issues. This goes all the way back to the comics.

He was exonerated. I mean, how is it he's working with the military now, if he's an international fugitive? Pensions and assets would be restored, that is the law.

I suppose if you really wanted to, you could make up a reason like it was delayed by government bureaucracy, and then the snap, and now due to post-snap civil crisis nobody is getting their pension. I mean we can make up all kinds of reasons.

 

[StCoop]

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Why is it always the toys that give the game away?

 

[Nerys Myk]

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Why is it always the toys that give the game away?

Or it's just a toy thing and never appears in the series

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Yeah, there's no guarantee that'll happen in the series.

In fact, I'd put money on it not happening.

 

[JD]

That looks a little to exactly like the comics version, if we were going to get it on the show, I would expect a few more changes to it.

 

[Noname Given]

Did they ever answer this aspect of the snap?

It seems that everyone reappeared exactly where they were when the snap occurred. What happened to the people who were on an aircraft in flight when they returned? Did they reappear in midair and fall to the ground?

The same thing would happen to people who perhaps lived in a multi-story building that had been torn down in the 5 year interim.

(And yes I know we're talking comics level translation here but still, The MCU does seem to pride itself on having a more hard edge/realistic aspect to it, so that would be an aspect of the un-blip. And we did see aircraft and helicopters and other vehicles crashing because pilots / drivers had suddenly disappeared.)

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Did they ever answer this aspect of the snap?

It seems that everyone reappeared exactly where they were when the snap occurred. What happened to the people who were on an aircraft in flight when they returned? Did they reappear in midair and fall to the ground?

The same thing would happen to people who perhaps lived in a multi-story building that had been torn down in the 5 year interim.

On screen? I do not recall that, and there's no rational way to explain how anyone would be able to control the physical position of millions or billions of individuals who were all in the process of doing just as many things when they vanished. Millions would die the second they returned, as they would be in the air as passengers of an airplane no longer there, on ocean liners long gone, crossing streets, climbing stairs and/or ladders, performing or being the recipient of surgery, swimming, etc. The entire snap/restoration idea was fanciful enough, but how and where they returned was never going to have a logical explanation.

 

[Xerxes82]

Yeah, there's no guarantee that'll happen in the series.

In fact, I'd put money on it not happening.

Really? I'm going to be genuinely disappointed if it doesn't. The show could probably come up with a way to justify it not being a thing, but it's going to have to be a damn good one to convince me it doesn't completely undermine the obvious arc for the character in getting there. Your mileage may, obviously, vary. And then you also have to deal with the backlash, which Disney will get, if it looks like they were too scared to do it because of the race issues in play.

That looks a little to exactly like the comics version, if we were going to get it on the show, I would expect a few more changes to it.

It's actually not that exact at all. It's more different here, in fact, than in the first toy we saw of the same concept back in January. Which makes this the second time we've seen this now, and both times explicitly branded as FatWS. For comparison's sake, the comic accurate Winter Soldier being released alongside the spoiler figure is packaged in generic Marvel Selects packaging, and does not contain the FatWS branding.

Still doesn't make it a sure thing. I'm 50-50. I WANT it to happen, I will be disappointed if it doesn't. But I'm not expecting it, necessarily.

 

[dupersuper]

Which is why I want a series showing what happened during those five years (more than what we saw in Endgame).

Yeah I'd love a 5 part Disney+ mini series. Say 2 hours an episode with a 3 hour debut and 3 hour finale. 1 episode per year with an extra hour before the snap and after the return. Show what the movie heroes, Defenders, SHIELD, Runaways, Cloak & Dagger, the Inhumans, Helstrom, Ghost Rider et al were doing.

Did they ever answer this aspect of the snap?

See Anwars post above.

 

[Anwar]

He was exonerated. I mean, how is it he's working with the military now, if he's an international fugitive? Pensions and assets would be restored, that is the law.

I suppose if you really wanted to, you could make up a reason like it was delayed by government bureaucracy, and then the snap, and now due to post-snap civil crisis nobody is getting their pension. I mean we can make up all kinds of reasons.

Sure, they would've been restored normally. But given how the world economy has to deal with 3 or 4 billions people re-appearing after 5 years odds are they just don't HAVE the money to give back since they'd have spent every penny to keep things going during the 5 years or it's just taking time for Sam to get everything back.

 

[StCoop]

And another one.

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John Walker as U.S. Agent

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[LaxScrutiny]

Sure, they would've been restored normally. But given how the world economy has to deal with 3 or 4 billions people re-appearing after 5 years odds are they just don't HAVE the money to give back since they'd have spent every penny to keep things going during the 5 years or it's just taking time for Sam to get everything back.

LOL, no offense, but if feels like if I address your reasoning you'll just keep changing it.

There are such things as loan forgiveness (student loans especially are part of that conversation right now.) There are also such things as interest free periods, and we have already mentioned loan restructuring. Look at the MBS crisis years ago and the bailout of various institutions like insurance companies and fannie mae and freddie mac. The point is that in a financial crisis there are policies that can be applied.

If people like Sarah's problems are due to the Snap, then the the government has failed to make use of existing tools to mitigate the financial crisis, or they did, but only applied it at a corporate level. Examples like the "New Deal" and post-WW2 programs for returning servicemen would HAVE to be applied to avoid financial collapse. Japan didn't recover from the destruction of every single city in WW2 by the banks trying to collect on small business loans.

My point is, if the story needs Sam to be broke, fine, (although showing him working as a military contractor kind of defeats that purpose.) If Sarah's issues are because of the Snap, then the government has failed. If Sarah was just a bad businesswoman that's a different story that really doesn't interest me in a show like this. I actually have a feeling that now the action is starting we won't see much about that subplot going forward.

I work in Finance and what happened at the bank was completely contrived. Yes, sole-ownerships have trouble getting loans in the first place, but the bank's refusal to consolidate the existing loans just means that Sarah goes to a bankruptcy trustee and starts with a consumer proposal. The bank would agree or settle for pennies on the dollar, if that. But fine, it's a TV show.

 

[crookeddy]

The only aliens really involved in Earth was Asgard, which suffered massive depopulation from Hela, from Thanos' attack, and then from the snap, a leader who turned inw

Wakanda will be up for keeping Earth as a whole safe, but with the loss of T'Challa and Shuri and the recent civil war and the strife elsewhere will certainly raise some concerns. The reference to the earthquake under the coast showed some sort of tension

If anything the snap would cause less impact than



Possibly for government jobs (like at sword), but not for private jobs - many businesses wouldn't even exist.



With this sort of strife it's not a matter of finding assets, its a matter of controlling resources. "Money" wise is a matter of printing. Economic collapse would occur after the blip without radical changes, GDP would massivly drop, international commerce would end, property ownership rights take second fiddle to those with the power



Sure, that's probably a realistic way of dealing with the localised mental impact. For an international tourism sector to still exist seems unlikely.

What in the world happened to this post? So many cut off sentences...

 

[crookeddy]

But fine, it's a TV show.

It's a TV show that's clearly trying to say something with that scene. If what it's saying isn't accurate, that's dishonestly from the show. Twitter is full of people making comments on the state of America based on this scene.