The Excelsior - uncovering the design

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  1. 137th Gebirg

    137th Gebirg Admiral Premium Member

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    True, the rail-pusher in TWOK does seem to stop at the breach door. In fact, it stops and retracts as the torpedo is being pulled in, seemingly under its own power. Still using conventional ferric metals in the late 23rd century, eh? MAGNETS!!! :lol:

    in any case, those Connie auto-loaders are WAY too freakin' slow to be tactical in a firefight, moving at the speed of dramatic intent. It's why I really liked the ones they used in ENT so much. They were purposeful, fast, efficient and looked combat-ready and believable. No wonder Malcolm Reed was so proud of them. He was right to be.
     
  2. blssdwlf

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    I wonder if the speed of the load on the TWOK Enterprise is adjustable? In TSFS, it seemed to have loaded two torpedoes almost immediately for them.

    The NX-01 torpedo bay has 3 loading breeches right? The two original ones for the spatial torpedoes and the middle one on the floor for the photonic torpedoes that are in the 5-round vertical rack?
     
  3. 137th Gebirg

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    Eek! I haven't watched ENT since I got the BRD's a decade ago. So, turning the good ol' TrekCore screencap archive (LOVE that place!), here's what we have for the weapons room (S2.26 "The Expanse"), A.K.A. the Armory:
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    Yes, 100% correct. There are two launching rail/tube units for their "spacial torpedoes" and the new central tube for the photons with the storage magazine immediately rear (obscuring the starboard rail behind it).

    This is, by far, one of the most amazingly functional set designs (IMO) that we've seen in a Trek show, before or since.

    Kind of makes the gerbil ball launching tubes on DSC seem a little silly, in retrospect. :lol:
     
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  4. Spaceship Jo

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    Silly... in retrospect?
    I love a lot about DSC, but, yeah no, not the gerbil tubes. Maybe if the crew had shrunk down or were the ships of a giant species. Speaking of which, why don't they do that (besides effects cost)?

    More on topic: I have to agree that the yellow patches without thruster ports are simply indications of precautions, like on the TOS E, and could be any of a variety things. Yes, some models of the D have had little to no thruster ports visible in those patches, but the rest of the Reliant model very much did, so apples and oranges.
     
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  5. KamenRiderBlade

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    Talk about being an "Experimental Vessel", designing those Gerbil Tubes for one specific craft type seems to be the height of "Over Specialization".
     
  6. 137th Gebirg

    137th Gebirg Admiral Premium Member

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    I was trying to be nice. :D
    Me too. But I'll pick the tubes over the turbolift funhouse any day.
     
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  7. David cgc

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    Mr. Scott’s Guide solved that by suggesting the conveyer belt was actually loading primed torpedos into a pair of magazines directly behind each tube, so up to four torpedos could be held ready to fire at once per tube. Depending on the pace of the battle, there could be plenty of time to top off as torpedos were firing, or if eight were launched all at once, it could be a few minutes before you could start shooting them again, at least at the same pace.
     
  8. yotsuya

    yotsuya Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Yes, this is the Star Trek universe where they have anti-gravity and other things that would completely change how such mechanisms operate.
     
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    Well, that isn't a theory, it is a fact. The impulse deck is full of complex angles. And that was carried over with the changes to make it Enterprise B. Those added impulse engines have some very complex geomentry. Vertical isn't something you find much of on the Excelsior. Though while the impulse deck does not have straight vertical sides, the neck sort of does. Though that is only in orthographic views from the front or back. The true vertical line ends up encompassing the curve of the neck as well, so the straight vertical is an illustion. Only the grilles at the base of the pylon and on the nacelles are truly in a vertical plain.
     
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  11. 137th Gebirg

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    Another sad inaccuracy with the ERTL models that never had that angle demonstrated on either the 2000 or the 1701-B. :mad:
     
  12. yotsuya

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    They retooled their kit for the Ent B. so it had most of the same errors. Even some of the fixes shows that they didn't retool the entire kit like they should. One of my goals is to create a guide for taking any of the three kits and correcting the most major mistakes. I'm not sure that can be one, but there may be a way to add some width to the base and at least give the illusion.
     
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    I’m convinced that heels of some shoes might serve as the neck for quick and dirty builds ;)
     
  14. 137th Gebirg

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    I built a custom build of a MU 3-engine Excelsior based on some old schematics I did decades ago where I flipped the neck so that the primary hull sat further back. Looked bad-ass. I called it the Asteroth.
     
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