Yeah, sounds like another example of you coming up with some wild speculation, then trying to prop it up with your purely subjective interpretations of episodes in order to make your speculation appear to be fact.
Spoilers The ending of the season, and the "tacked on two"...
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When the legend becomes truth, print the legend.
Something similar happened to Kirk in universe as happened IRL - he became his own legend, instead of the 'reality'. Some remember him with awe and reverence that probably isn't earned, like Sisko, and some remember the cartoon of the swashbuckling ladies man like Janeway.
100 years later, that's to be expected
Got a source for this?
That's why I kind of like the idea from, I think the TMP novel (need to revisist it), that TOS was basically Federation propaganda about the Enterprise's 5 year mission and added to Kirk's legendary status.
It's been stated multiple times in this forum ever since the fall.
That's not an adequate source.
Adequate enough for me, which is all I give a shit about. Besides, it fits the impression given that Captain Georgiou and the Shenzhou were supposed to have much larger roles in they show than they ended up having.
^ I'm not sure admitting that you consider heresay an adequate source is a good idea, but whatever.
Followed by the usual ST scene of “Enemy ships surrounding a planet peel off left and right, conflict is resolved, all is well”
Maybe that was an homage to the many other times that scene has been used. I wish they’d stop it. I know they’ve got limited time in a TV episode to tell a story, but it’s these broad brush scenes that are killing STD. Like the bridge crew standing as one to proclaim We are Starfleet as a substitute for any real interaction and character development of them during the past 15 episodes
And, in the opposite case, if there was a war, there would be complaints about "TEH CANON!" as well as too much "pew-pew."
I prefer this finale to gigantic battle.
As I said in the episode thread, if this was the resolution to a single episode - even a two episode arc - I would have been more forgiving, because Trek has a long history of choking and screwing up the ending of a good story.
But whiffing on a season long arc? That's a special kind of awful. It made the conclusion of Enterprise Season 3 look damn good in comparison. And I didn't even like ENT Season 3 that much.
Then how do you justify habitually citing as facts one sort of hearsay or another?
Kirk wasn't a legend, nor was he a swashbuckling ladies man.
He was a legendary swashbuckling ladies man
I just want to point out that Martok's exact quote is:
MARTOK: We must give the enemy credit. To launch an attack against Starfleet Headquarters. Even my people never attempted that. We've learned one thing about the Breen today, Captain. They're a race of warriors.
It wasn't about never attempting to attack Earth, but attacking Starfleet HQ as a military target and sending such a brazen message to the Federation. Call it a quibble if you must, but there's still a difference.
MARTOK: We must give the enemy credit. To launch an attack against Starfleet Headquarters. Even my people never attempted that. We've learned one thing about the Breen today, Captain. They're a race of warriors.
It wasn't about never attempting to attack Earth, but attacking Starfleet HQ as a military target and sending such a brazen message to the Federation. Call it a quibble if you must, but there's still a difference.
I'm pretty sure an attack fleet hanging out in Earth orbit counts as an attempted attack. Or were they just there for the scenery?
It wasn't hanging out in Earth's orbit. It's further away than you think due to camera perspective. When the fleet peels off, the camera zooms in roughly 8-10 seconds before you are close enough to see the various platforms/satellites orbiting the planet (which are presumably part of an orbital defense grid of some sort).
They never came close enough to be fired upon by those defenses. Nor were any ships seen moving to intercept, nor surface to space missiles fired, which one would expect if the Klingon fleet, as you say, was close enough to be orbiting the Earth.
Look at how different the size of earth is in these two screencaps:
That said, I do think the graphics team when too far with those shots. They should have not have depicted Klingon ships so close to Earth, even though the shot composition was pretty to look at and helped raise the stakes a little. It would have been better to show them at the edge of the Sol system, with Earth still in view and the threat still imminent, but it felt a touch too OTT. Like when the bomb gets defused only 2-4 seconds before it explodes.
Martok is not a Klingon historian, perhaps he didn't know how close the Klingons came to attacking Earth back then. Nevertheless, he was specifically referring to the boldness of going after Starfleet at its own HQ, which gives Discovery some wriggle room. Not that I really care about a throwaway line given by a Klingon 100 years in the future, still, some people apparently get stuck on these kinds of minutiae. Trek is internally inconsistent all the time. It's a thing.
In the end, whatever serves the plot best at any given time is the 'canon' the writers will go for.
They never came close enough to be fired upon by those defenses. Nor were any ships seen moving to intercept, nor surface to space missiles fired, which one would expect if the Klingon fleet, as you say, was close enough to be orbiting the Earth.
Look at how different the size of earth is in these two screencaps:
That said, I do think the graphics team when too far with those shots. They should have not have depicted Klingon ships so close to Earth, even though the shot composition was pretty to look at and helped raise the stakes a little. It would have been better to show them at the edge of the Sol system, with Earth still in view and the threat still imminent, but it felt a touch too OTT. Like when the bomb gets defused only 2-4 seconds before it explodes.
Martok is not a Klingon historian, perhaps he didn't know how close the Klingons came to attacking Earth back then. Nevertheless, he was specifically referring to the boldness of going after Starfleet at its own HQ, which gives Discovery some wriggle room. Not that I really care about a throwaway line given by a Klingon 100 years in the future, still, some people apparently get stuck on these kinds of minutiae. Trek is internally inconsistent all the time. It's a thing.
In the end, whatever serves the plot best at any given time is the 'canon' the writers will go for.
Intergalatic politics are complicated.
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