The answer is no. John Oliver loves the amount of freedom he has, HBO lets him do whatever he wants. Also, HBO isn't dumb and just renewed his show through 2017. We get 35 episodes a year, I think there have been two so far this year.
The Daily Show Without Jon Stewart
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The answer is no. John Oliver loves the amount of freedom he has, HBO lets him do whatever he wants. Also, HBO isn't dumb and just renewed his show through 2017. We get 35 episodes a year, I think there have been two so far this year.
Time to revive this: It's going to be Trevor Noah.
Could be good. I've liked the bits he's done on the show so far, though there hasn't been enough of him for me to judge.
Could be good. I've liked the bits he's done on the show so far, though there hasn't been enough of him for me to judge.
Wow. I thought that link was just going to be repeat of the rumor. Interesting choice. It actually makes me want to watch the show post-Stewart. Trevor brings the most interesting perspective of the new comedians (outside of John Oliver).
It's certainly risky, though. I hope Noah is able to rise to the occasion.
Edit: my wife is apparently not a fan. She said Noah comes across as too smug. She likes John Oliver, though.
It's certainly risky, though. I hope Noah is able to rise to the occasion.
Edit: my wife is apparently not a fan. She said Noah comes across as too smug. She likes John Oliver, though.
Here's the thing about the 'Liberal bias'.
There are plenty of legitimate criticisms to make about democrats in Washington. Just nobody is making them. Instead of making the perfectly reasonable criticisms available to them, they're jumping straight to factually disprovable extremes and fear tactics.
Like if somebody were to say "Obamacare may be intended to make health insurance more accessible to people who can't afford it, but in practice it has a lot of unintended side effects, for which I will cite these specific precedents", it would be totally reasonable. Instead they said "OBAMA IS TRYING TO KILL YOUR GRANDMA!"
The kind of actual criticism directed to Obama is comparable to if somebody said "TED CRUZ IS TRYING TO MURDER ALL GAY PEOPLE!" Or "CHRIS CHRISTIE CAUSED THE TRAFFIC JAM AS PART OF A COORDINATED TERROR ATTACK!"
Basically any journalist who does not repeat verbatim the fear based manipulation tactics put out by Fox News is accused of having a liberal bias.
There are plenty of legitimate criticisms to make about democrats in Washington. Just nobody is making them. Instead of making the perfectly reasonable criticisms available to them, they're jumping straight to factually disprovable extremes and fear tactics.
Like if somebody were to say "Obamacare may be intended to make health insurance more accessible to people who can't afford it, but in practice it has a lot of unintended side effects, for which I will cite these specific precedents", it would be totally reasonable. Instead they said "OBAMA IS TRYING TO KILL YOUR GRANDMA!"
The kind of actual criticism directed to Obama is comparable to if somebody said "TED CRUZ IS TRYING TO MURDER ALL GAY PEOPLE!" Or "CHRIS CHRISTIE CAUSED THE TRAFFIC JAM AS PART OF A COORDINATED TERROR ATTACK!"
Basically any journalist who does not repeat verbatim the fear based manipulation tactics put out by Fox News is accused of having a liberal bias.
My question is: how much of the writing staff will be following Senor Stewart out the door?
I disagree it's a one note show. He does talk about race issues a lot but he's also had episodes on things like NCAA players being paid. But the show could use a little more variety in presentation.
If the Daily Show ends up sucking we can always start claiming that the Daily Show is still on only it moved to HBO.
Of course the NCAA payment issue is a big example of John Oliver doing a much better job than Larry Wilmore. Wilmore's coverage came off like a 'Hey you know what really grinds my gears?' segment. John Oliver made a parody commercial for a video game where you live the parts of an NCAA player's day where you are not playing basketball. Getting yelled at by millionaire coaches, living in fear of losing your scholarship due to an injury, getting pulled through fake classes.
Broad-sweeping claims are often problematic, but this one is particularly ridiculous. Obama and other Democrats receive tons of legitimate, non-hyperbolic criticism; some of the strongest of it from within the Democratic Party itself and from liberal voters and media who feel Obama's policies often veer too far to the right. If you haven't seen any legitimate non-extremist criticism of Democrats, then that's on you and your choices of where you get your news, because there's plenty of it out there (and rightly so).
If not all right away, all within some short period of time.
Aside from the fact that three appearances is very little to base a verdict on, there's another reason we should withhold our collective judgements for the time being: the correspondents on the Daily Show very much act as the comedic foil to Jon Stewart's straight man. Which is, of course, a very different role to play than the straight man. Jon Oliver did the transition quite well, but he's pretty much the only one - Colbert didn't even try, taking his outrageous foil character to his own show and doing his own (awesome) thing with it, and when Rob Corddry or Jason Jones had to host when Jon Stewart was out sick .. it just didn't work. Great as they both were as foils on the show, they couldn't carry it on its own.
We'll see how Noah does. I'm carefully optimistic.
It does suck to be black in America. Some anvils need to be dropped.
I find it kinda strange that the first association you make is with Wilmore due to their shared skin colour rather than with Jon Oliver due to their shared standing as foreigners. Trevor Noah isn't African American, he's plain and simply African, born and bred. His life experiences will be nothing like Wilmore's, his perspective will be nothing like Wilmore's. IMO Jon Oliver's "outside perspective" has helped Last Week Tonight be the gem that it is, and I'm hopeful Noah's show will work in a similar way.
(Plus, I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that an African point of view is overrepresented in Western media.
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Okay, in closed sessions of debate, many republican politicians do make those reasonable criticisms. And liberals often make reasonable criticisms of Obama. But you don't see them on the news or on social media. All you hear is people raving about tyranny. Like, if twenty republican politicans make a well reasoned argument against Obamacare, and one makes a fearmongering hyperbolic attack against it, CNN will only show the fearmongering hyperbolic attack, and then the social media will revolve around it too.
And then all those same republicans who made well reasoned arguments against it will go on the news and say that they need to save America from Obama's tyranny.
I can't imagine the other correspondents wanting to play second fiddle to a new guy who hasn't paid his dues.
You can turn on NPR and hear well reasoned arguments against Obama, but that's not what the average person is exposed to, and my point is that the average person should be hearing the well reasoned arguments, not the fearmongering. And it's not just Fox News and CNN spreading the fearmongering, it's also the actual members of Congress who know they need to properly frighten their base to keep their jobs.
You would hope the representatives of your nation would have more class and professionalism than they actually exhibit the second a camera is turned on them.
The Daily Show correspondents are professionals, they're not going to turn down a good gig over personal grudges. At least, unless their name is Conan. Remember how hard most comedians have to struggle just to get any kind of television job. And the Daily Show has become an even bigger springboard than SNL.
You would hope the representatives of your nation would have more class and professionalism than they actually exhibit the second a camera is turned on them.
The Daily Show correspondents are professionals, they're not going to turn down a good gig over personal grudges. At least, unless their name is Conan. Remember how hard most comedians have to struggle just to get any kind of television job. And the Daily Show has become an even bigger springboard than SNL.
I'm not sure that's a fair characterization. He apparently has quite a bit of hosting experience, and he has been doing stand-up for eight years.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2015/03/30/who-is-trevor-noah/
Plus, it's not as if the guy had it easy getting his career going:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat...gh_but_it_s_true_shows_future_daily_show.html
His biggest appeal will obviously be to an international audience, which I'm sure Comedy Central is depending upon. The guy speaks six languages and apparently has a lot of success appealing to a wide variety of viewers.
Kind of how I feel. The great thing about TDS being seen as "the most honest news show on TV" is that Jon goes on there and rants, greatly, and problems in the news media and with political figures (on both sides.) And I've yet to see anything from Trevor Noah that leads me to believe he's going to deliver.
His few contributions he's made on the show have been good but, I dunno. It just doesn't *motivate* me or get me to applaud and cheer at my TV like Jon and even the other correspondents do from time to time.
I'll give Trevor a chance, obviously, but damn does he have some big shoes to fill and, I dunno, it'll be hard to really connect or "accept" his perspective on various American political issues. Sort of a problem I had with John Oliver on a small level or more-over with "real" news British personalities. It just almost comes across as, "Who are you to criticize our government, our leaders, our society and culture?"
This just seems like a strange move but CC and Jon must feel he's a worthy successor so we'll see. But, I dunno, for me it'll be a hard-sell.
