The Daily Show Without Jon Stewart
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I think Oliver has the likability to overcome that stigma though. After all, he's gone off and gotten his own show, and it does well. I'm just not convinced Noah has the right demeanor. IMHO he comes off way more pretentiously than Oliver, because Oliver still employs enough clowning to balance it out. In order to ease potential pomposity, you have to be willing to be the fool, the butt of the joke on occasion. Stewart has done that masterfully for years. Even Larry Wilmore does it. Where have we ever seen Noah play the silly? Anyone not American born doing social & political satire with have to double down on the clowning, like Oliver does
The problem with that is people will find too much clowning distasteful, if Noah does it, because it will carry with it a stigma of being a race slight, because it could seem less natural to him, and that will shine an ugly light on it, that appears as though he must dumb down because of his race, which isn't the case. It's just that they all have to do it, to one degree or another
Oh no doubt about that, but I'd say that's why the people who love him respect him. Back when he 1st got the job, he already had a fan base. I was among them, and it had nothing to do with his political or ideological stands.... yet. That was a respect he gained after he had proven to be likable enough to trust
You can't judge how Noah was as a reporter. The reporters are supposed to come across like assholes.
As if the right was applauding Stewart at any point of the show
I'm not following it much these days but when news broke that Stewart would go did Fox News do a celebration day?
I think anyone following Stuart has an insanely tough break and i believe people will turn up in numbers to see how the new guy does and then switch off leading to a substantial drop.
After that it's up for the new guy to claw his way back and make a name for himself. Stewart was and is unique and he made the show into what it is today, you can't copy that and expect the same kind of numbers.
However i really hope they keep the sharp tone and take the media and politics to task whenever they fuck up (and god knows there will never be a shortage of material). Noah just needs to find his style and stick with it, it may not draw Stewarts numbers unless he makes his own legendary moments like Stewart on Crossfire, the first post 9/11 show, his feud with O'Reilly and Fox news in general and so on because that's how Stewart made his name (he could be hit an miss with his comedy but with important guests he was always very well prepared and he is highly intelligent, something many disregarded and they paid the price when Stewart ripped them a new one).
I wouldn't, because I see what you mean. I'm also going by what I've seen of his standup. Plus, I never found Al Madrigal & John Oliver to be assholes as just "Correspondents". Generally, you're right that the reporting comes off more pushy & hardnosed than the anchoring, but if you're paying attention, or look deeper or beyond the show, you can get a feel for what the people are really like, especially the ones who let it shine through. I mean Stephen Colbert spent a decade playing a mockup, and nobody ever really saw him that way, to the point that now he has a much more personable thing he'll be doing. That's the real miracle of Colbert, that he played a gag for ages, & still managed to get one of the most coveted talk show gigs in show business, because he still seems like a very likable guy
I've never found Jones charming or even especially likable, but I wouldn't say he strikes me as an asshole. His character on the show is kind of greasy and unsympathetic though, so I'm sure that plays into his perception.
Playing a likable character who is still funny and a bit outrageous sometimes is something Carrel and Colbert and only a few others on the show have managed. Jones can manage it from time to time but he and Bee both have a 'quality' to them that more often than not just made me tune out from their segments.
Playing a likable character who is still funny and a bit outrageous sometimes is something Carrel and Colbert and only a few others on the show have managed. Jones can manage it from time to time but he and Bee both have a 'quality' to them that more often than not just made me tune out from their segments.
I totally agree. Seeing the good-bye packages they put together to honor them made me wonder why people found them endearing in the first place.
Outside of TDS, I most remember Jones from How I Met Your Mother, where, surprise, the character he played was greasy and unsympathetic.
Maybe that common nature is how they ended up an item in real life? Though to be fair, I've never seen them outside of the context of the show but they can be really condescending thought their targets often are deserving of it.
