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Spoilers The Controversial Star Wars Opinion Thread

"Sith."
"Jedi."
"Saving the galaxy."
"The Empire."
"Bounty Hunters."
"Mandalorians."
"Rebel Alliance."

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One of the wisest men of our times did say "Star Wars is creatively bankrupt".

Not true. We just need story tellers brave enough to step outside the box, and suits to be brave enough to weigh in and stand by the pet project that might turn into the next Blair Witch Project.

I can spin a tape like it ain’t shit that does involve all that bores me, but spins it in a new way. Watch:

A Jensaari apprentice caught by slavers and too afraid to call on the Force because she’s being chased by Inquisitors turns up at a bar called the Blue Nebula owned by a female Feeorin Vigo.

She, in turn, contacts an old smuggler buddy who owns his own ship (here and here) and who turns out to be a Jedi in hiding whose famous for being the best smuggler along the Corellian Run, and worked as a CEC engineer as part of the Corellian Underground who hid him after Order 66.

He takes the Jensaari apprentice on the run, and unbeknownst to either of them, they’re being pursued by the Ion Ascendancy, a collective empire of droids three hundred years old (who even have their own language), hiding in plain sight with their own heavily modified Muunificent-class frigate powerful enough to stand toe to toe with a modern star destroyer.

Talus, the leader of the Ion Ascendancy, runs an umbrella of companies as a way to hide his immortality because he’s a manumitted replicant droid in a chassis designed by himself and his company, ChronoDyne Robotics. He seeks to make First Contact with an organic being as the Ion Ascendancy to make an ally of the smuggler who doesn’t realize it.

The reason they want First Contact is because they have a little side empire running in the Unknown Regions (not too far in) and need help with a small war they have going with the Ssi-Ruuk over an inhabited world caught in the crossfire

Meanwhile, the Inquisitorius is still chasing the Jensaari apprentice….
 
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It was going to happen even if George hadn't sold the company to Disney according to Pablo Hidalgo.
Whoever was his boss at the time, don't remember his name, approached him with it a couple years before the company was sold.

George's sequel ideas would have ignored the post-ROTJ EU as well, so they were going to start over either way.

People would have been upset about that as well, but probably less upset. It would have been one thing for GL to circular file the EU when it was his baby to start with. It was quite something else for Disney to do it. They might have been forgiven had the ST been anything worth watching, but ultimately it wasn't. Kathleen Kennedy has this weird obsession with degrading and destroying the old so she can try and replace it with her 'Force is female' tropes like Rey and the latest chick in Indiana Jones. EU stuff aside, was anyone happy with the character treatment that Han, Luke, Leia, and Indy got in their final appearances?
 
People would have been upset about that as well, but probably less upset. It would have been one thing for GL to circular file the EU when it was his baby to start with. It was quite something else for Disney to do it. They might have been forgiven had the ST been anything worth watching, but ultimately it wasn't. Kathleen Kennedy has this weird obsession with degrading and destroying the old so she can try and replace it with her 'Force is female' tropes like Rey and the latest chick in Indiana Jones. EU stuff aside, was anyone happy with the character treatment that Han, Luke, Leia, and Indy got in their final appearances?

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FINALLY!!! Thank you for saying what is blatantly apparent. All of it.

Edit: And no, we didn't. It felt cheap, and tawdry.

...just like Kathleen Kennedy. (ba dum tss!)
 
EU stuff aside, was anyone happy with the character treatment that Han, Luke, Leia,
Yes.

People need to stop speaking for everyone. These outcomes felt very mythological. Sorry it spoiled the happily ever after that was dreamed of. If you want that, ROTJ does it perfectly well enough.
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FINALLY!!! Thank you for saying what is blatantly apparent. All of it.

Edit: And no, we didn't. It felt cheap, and tawdry.

...just like Kathleen Kennedy. (ba dum tss!)
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A wacky conspiracy theorist might suggest that the real reason a Jedi must be trained by a living, breathing master is to artificially limit the number of Jedi out there. Because if everyone can use the Force, Philistine, all you'd have to do is mass produce a "Force for Dummies" book and if the thing really caught on you'd have billions of Jedi popping up everywhere!

I liken Force sensitivity to being the Dragonborn in Skyrim. The average person is like the Greybeards: they can learn the thuum, but it takes years and years of meditation and study before they can even voice their first shout. I think the Force is like that for the average Joe of the galaxy. Yes, they can use it, but it would take years of meditation and study before they could move a salt shaker across the table. Then you have your people like Luke Skywalker and Palpatine. They are the fucking Dragonborn- so in tune with the Force that they require comparatively no effort to use it. They are exceptional people, for better or worse. And that is how you can have your cake and eat it too with regards to the Force, and you don't even need to mention midichlorians!

Side note: A character like Sabine Wren then becomes an in-between, someone between Greybeard and Dragonborn. She has to study and train hard to learn to Shout, but it only takes her weeks or months, not years and decades. And her Shouts only ever get to the 2-word strength.
 
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So, it's the same, but all the details have changed. Gotcha.

Uh, how is that the same, then?

Answer: it's not. That's like saying, "Well, even though it's not a Windows PC, the macbook still is the same--still connects to the internet, still does word processing, and still stores files." Two completely different machines despite superficial similarities. At this point, I'd be more interested in hearing about IG-88 taking over the second death star than yet another movie based on Sith bullshit.

"Sith."
"Jedi."
"Saving the galaxy."
"The Empire."
"Bounty Hunters."
"Mandalorians."
"Rebel Alliance."

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I'm really starting to think that Star Wars might not be the right franchise for you. You seem to really hate a lot of the most important parts of it
 
Here's a controversial SW opinion.

In this still from an EP IV deleted scene, why is Fixer dressed like a Jedi?

OH YEAH! Because originally, Jedi Knights weren't supposed to dress like Tatooine moisture farmers ALL THE TIME. And think about it, with the Empire hunting down and destroying the Jedi Knights, why would Obi-wan Kenobi in ANH continue TO WEAR JEDI CLOTHING?

One more thing the PT f'd up. ;)

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I'm really starting to think that Star Wars might not be the right franchise for you. You seem to really hate a lot of the most important parts of it

oversaturation
n
the act or instance of saturating excessively.

Kathleen Kennedy's insistence on oversaturation of the market is what lead to Star Wars becoming boring.

Plenty of other stories that don't involve all that were already written. Plenty of people want to explore the rest of the galaxy's nooks and crannies through the eyes of characters that don't have the Finger of Destiny upon them.
 
Here's a controversial SW opinion.

In this still from an EP IV deleted scene, why is Fixer dressed like a Jedi?

OH YEAH! Because originally, Jedi Knights weren't supposed to dress like Tatooine moisture farmers ALL THE TIME. And think about it, with the Empire hunting down and destroying the Jedi Knights, why would Obi-wan Kenobi in ANH continue TO WEAR JEDI CLOTHING?

One more thing the PT f'd up. ;)

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going by ROTJ the Jedi all dressed like Sprockets
 
In the High Republic era, don't the Jedi dress and act in a more, well, knightly manner, compared to the zenned-out monks in common folk attire they become by Episode I. (I assume that's what George was going for in the PT dressing them like moisture farmers).
 
In the case of Sabine Wren, it seems more like she was at least partly trained during the war by Ahsoka. So she had the basics already, it just don't come easy. Ahsoka walked away after the Night of a Thousand Tears, much to Sabine's frustration. Then Sabine spent five or more years nor really keeping up with her training. Got back into it for the chance to save Ezra. Did more training. Ahsoka got out of her funk and gave actual encouragement and advice that Sabine would listen to and appreciate. Plus having Ezra back would remove a lot of the anger and fear Sabine had...thus allowing the Force to flow better than it had been. So that by the end she can use the Force. Not greatly, but she can use it.
 
OH YEAH! Because originally, Jedi Knights weren't supposed to dress like Tatooine moisture farmers ALL THE TIME. And think about it, with the Empire hunting down and destroying the Jedi Knights, why would Obi-wan Kenobi in ANH continue TO WEAR JEDI CLOTHING?

One more thing the PT f'd up. ;)
That one bothered me a lot back in the day and then the fan art of the Legends EU ran with it, with Luke more and more in robes like the PT Jedi. Even in AOTC, the waitress droid goes "Jedi by the looks of him." The robes were a dead give away. Irritating.

In the script of ROTJ, I think, it says that Luke is dressed in the uniform of a Jedi Knight. In early PT concepts Obi-Wan's character (Qui-Gon wasn't there yet) is dressed in black, and looks reminiscent of some Javanese inspired outfits.

Really need something else for a Jedi outfit.
Kathleen Kennedy's insistence on oversaturation of the market is what lead to Star Wars becoming boring.
I felt that with Clone Wars.
 
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