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Spoilers The Controversial Star Wars Opinion Thread

I will never watch them because by destroying the EU
It was going to happen even if George hadn't sold the company to Disney according to Pablo Hidalgo.
Whoever was his boss at the time, don't remember his name, approached him with it a couple years before the company was sold.

George's sequel ideas would have ignored the post-ROTJ EU as well, so they were going to start over either way.
 
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You could gp look at Legends, but gone are the background detail and depth from the new stuff because they want to package it for marketing, not actual literary depth and deeper meaning. They have turned it into a cotton candy version.

Literary depth? That's a joke. I stopped reading Star Wars and Star Trek novels because of the lack of consistent literary depth and because, in my opinion, too many bad authors kept getting commissions to write stories. I found "Courtship of Princess Leia" to be horrible right from the start with Han and Lando fighting over ownership of the Falcon after that ship had flown and the two characters had grown past this particular childishness by the end of ROTJ. Kevin J. Anderson I find to be an awful author with unoriginal ideas.

When I can go down to my library, or grab my kindle, or whatever and read it whenever the fuck I like. Seriously? Lost? Lost implies that I cannot get it any more. That I cannot read it, or enjoy it. Yet that is distinctly not the case. Not at all.

I see this raised often during discussions continuity. This objection is made by people who favor the changes to continuity, the reboots, the retcons, and wholesale changes that other people strongly dislike. This objection seems to miss the point of all the angst. Yes, we know we can always go back and reread these now obsolete stories, but nothing new from this incarnation will be produced. No new stories about Jacen, Jaina, or Anakin Solo. No stories will reference Thrawn and his encounter with Mara Jade, etc... It's like when a person's favorite band breaks up - sure, you can listen to the older albums and enjoy the separate works of the former band members, but this particular musical journey is over.

As time goes on fans will forget these obsolete works. I much prefer the Brian Daley trilogy of Han Solo stories over AC Crispin's trilogy. I was not a fan when Crispin's books became the "official" story of Han Solo's life. Doesn't matter now because those stories are now obsolete as well. Yes, we can go back and read them again, but a third telling of Solo's life is probably already out there (for the record, I loved "Solo" but disliked the direction they took the character by the start of TFA).

Some fans are simply tired of unnecessary reboots or changes, especially if they feel the change is stupid and the old ways are cool. I much preferred the history of R2 and 3PO as depicted in the "Droids" cartoon. On the other hand, I don't believe any of us gave any of the Ewok TV stories any serious consideration to their place in continuity.

Since I stopped reading the EU in the early 00s, I'm not as emotionally attached to the now obsolete novels and I enjoy how they are pulling in old references even from the dumb stuff like Blurgs or the MiniRigs or the Troop Transport.
 
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I enjoy how they are pulling in old references even from the dumb stuff like Blurgs or the MiniRigs or the Troop Transport.
I had no idea the blurrgs went back that far! :techman:
 
Neither did I. I only watched the made for TV Ewok movies once when they aired. I've since forgotten nearly everything in them, including the blurrgs.
 
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Have any of these authors even bothered to read the fucking Encyclopedia? One read-through of that would eliminate 90% of the bullshit that authors love to throw in and that fans love to hate.

Spot fucking on about Star Wars EU being like an old musical catalog. There are those of us who wanted to see more stories with those characters and eventually see them brought to the big screen. Thrawn is way bigger than Kylo Ren. In fact, even the name Kylo Ren sounds stupid af, like some shit lifted out of a Buck Rogers film (ironic, given the Star Wars origins, I know).

It's as though the orchestra swells with a musical intro, only to finish the crescendo with a kazoo. The Ewoks tv show and the Christimas special are the oboes playing out of tune.

I want my damned Moochers of Abregado-Rae, and my Anooba that I can name Chuba for irony.
 
Yes, we know we can always go back and reread these now obsolete stories, but nothing new from this incarnation will be produced.
And this is bad?

It stops enjoyment?

Genuine question because I do not get it. But, then my favorite books never got continuations and I had grown up with contentment with single stories never going forward.

Thrawn is way bigger than Kylo Ren.
They are not the same type of character. Not sure the equivalence but I don't like Thrawn for way different reasons that I like Kylo Ren. The two only occupy my Star Wars Venn diagram. That's it.
 
And this is bad?

It stops enjoyment?

Genuine question because I do not get it. But, then my favorite books never got continuations and I had grown up with contentment with single stories never going forward.

The difference being that the stories you grew up with are just that--single stories not a part of an evolving universe of content. They were single stories. The EU, on the other hand, has a built-in expectation that these stories continue on and touch the lives of others who have their own stories. That repeated amputation of characters is what Shawnster correctly surmises as, "Some fans are simply tired of unnecessary reboots or changes, especially if they feel the change is stupid and the old ways are cool."

Everything that comes after feels like they won't leave the fucking amputated stump alone and have made it a satirical act in their circus sideshow. "Hahaha, those EU fans! Look how silly they are!" Deriding and scorning people who want what they feel is a much deeper lore than what Disney offers (offers as a platter of road kill, no less) is a great way to make new fans and bring in old ones, said no one ever.
 
Recast Leia. This should have been done in The Rise of Skywalker. Carrie Fisher died. Leia Organa did not. (My pick was Meryl Streep.)

But now?

We just had a fairly clumsy scene where Threepio had to come and deliver a message because Anthony Daniels is alive and Carrie Fisher 1) is not and 2) is not 35.

If you're going to play in the Post Return of the Jedi New Republic you can either stay away from the centers of power (where Leia presumably lives) or acknowledge that she is a character not an institution and use the character appropriately.

Enough of this Deep Fake Mark Hamill nonsense. Recast everybody. (Except Threepio. I'm assuming that Anthony Daniels has made arrangements to play Threepio from beyond the grave.)
 
Recast Leia. This should have been done in The Rise of Skywalker. Carrie Fisher died. Leia Organa did not. (My pick was Meryl Streep.)

I totally get why people wanted Streep -- she played Fisher in Postcards from the Edge, after all -- but I didn't feel that Streep would have wanted to do it, even if Disney had thrown gobs and gobs of cash at her (which they wouldn't have, because Disney is notoriously cheap).

My pick for recasting Leia in Rise was Stephanie Zimbalist. Probably also unlikely, as she's basically retired.
 
The difference being that the stories you grew up with are just that--single stories not a part of an evolving universe of content. They were single stories. The EU, on the other hand, has a built-in expectation that these stories continue on and touch the lives of others who have their own stories. That repeated amputation of characters is what Shawnster correctly surmises as, "Some fans are simply tired of unnecessary reboots or changes, especially if they feel the change is stupid and the old ways are cool."

Everything that comes after feels like they won't leave the fucking amputated stump alone and have made it a satirical act in their circus sideshow. "Hahaha, those EU fans! Look how silly they are!" Deriding and scorning people who want what they feel is a much deeper lore than what Disney offers (offers as a platter of road kill, no less) is a great way to make new fans and bring in old ones, said no one ever.
Who the fuck is deriding EU fans from LFL or Disney? No, choices or shows you disagree with don't count.

I had no expectations of the EU. I read what I liked and ignored what I didn't. The stories did not interest me so I stopped.

That's how stories work. There is no obligation to continue.

Whatever insult is derived from this decision making is read in not presented in the decision.

No, it's not.
Yes, it is. Mixed at best.

It's ok to like them.
 
If Disney wants to prove to die-hard EU fans that they’re serious about preserving the undergirding structure of the EU as presented in the technical manuals from Haynes and the DK books such as The Essential Guide To Warfare (and all the other books like the Essential Guides) by doing a show set away from the galactic stage, but one that refers back to it.

Give us a city planet that isn’t Coruscant and make it a based font of all kinds of background details they can use to enrich the other shows—everything from the EU catalog of foods, drinks, exotic creatures (within reason), technology, ships, alien races, pop culture and more. A live action show. Set it in a bar and center it around a Feeorin chick running the show for Black Sun while operating a slave-to-freedom network out of her own pocket in her bar. Call it the Blue Nebula, and let it flow from there.
 
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I totally get why people wanted Streep -- she played Fisher in Postcards from the Edge, after all -- but I didn't feel that Streep would have wanted to do it, even if Disney had thrown gobs and gobs of cash at her (which they wouldn't have, because Disney is notoriously cheap).

My pick for recasting Leia in Rise was Stephanie Zimbalist. Probably also unlikely, as she's basically retired.
Streep has a certain, for lack of a better word, Streepiness that exudes from her roles and imo it doesn't feel right for Leia.
 
If Disney wants to prove to die-hard EU fans that they’re serious about preserving the undergirding structure of the EU as presented in the technical manuals from Haynes and the DK books such as The Essential Guide To Warfare by doing a show set away from the galactic stage, but one that refers back to it.
Disney has nothing to prove.
 
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