Spoilers The Controversial Star Wars Opinion Thread
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Not meant to be. But the quality of what comes after should damn well match what came before or you’re going to wind up with pissed off fans whom feel cheated.
So, the prequels.
The Ewok movies.
The Clone Wars movie.
On and on it goes. Star Wars doesn't match the OT. It can't.
Angry fans who still buy are still buying. Foolish.
“It can’t.”
Not true. It means hiring better directors and the suits keeping their fingers out of it instead of inserting idiotic characters as a gimmick to market after the movie’s release.
It means not settling for space opera fluff and writing more serious stories that touch on darker themes.
Not true. It means hiring better directors and the suits keeping their fingers out of it instead of inserting idiotic characters as a gimmick to market after the movie’s release.
It means not settling for space opera fluff and writing more serious stories that touch on darker themes.
I think most fans do dislike aspects of the prequels while also liking a lot other aspects-and those who did really dislike pretty much all of them would just be uninterested in getting more, not tend to actually think *anyone other than* Lucas would do a lot better.
I think it is cool that most people who criticize the PT acting do acknowledge, some emphasize, that a lot of the actors have been a lot better in other roles, that is more nuance then you get in a lot of other negativity.
I think it is cool that most people who criticize the PT acting do acknowledge, some emphasize, that a lot of the actors have been a lot better in other roles, that is more nuance then you get in a lot of other negativity.
It's a space opera.
That won't change without violating the basic premise of the franchise.
How?
What, we can’t give Star Wars the Hunt For Red October treatment? I think it would be badass to see a captain on the bridge of a Star destroyer actually calling out orders the way a captain of a vessel actually would.
Stephen Donaldson proved that space opera could be gritty and realistic while still offering drama and plenty of space battles in his Gap series.
What, we can’t give Star Wars the Hunt For Red October treatment? I think it would be badass to see a captain on the bridge of a Star destroyer actually calling out orders the way a captain of a vessel actually would.
Stephen Donaldson proved that space opera could be gritty and realistic while still offering drama and plenty of space battles in his Gap series.
The what series?
You literally just said "not settling for space opera fluff" which sounds like discarding the elements of Star Wars at its core. It's a western style space fantasy, not a gritty drama.
When it tries grit we get Mandalorian. I know many like it but the character feels awful.
Then I apologize—by space opera fluff, I meant the more fantasy style stuff that uses convenient deus ex machines for plot resolution. Keep the space opera, get rid of the cheesy dialogue and use dialogue more appropriate to a space vessel. I always thought in reality, being on such a ship would be more like being on a sub where the captain gives actual orders to the helmsman and refers to his charts once in a while.
If you haven’t read the Gap Cycle, I highly recommend it. Excellent space opera fare.
If you haven’t read the Gap Cycle, I highly recommend it. Excellent space opera fare.
Why? Why are there no textbooks for Jedi?
There's this newfangled invention, you see, which -- if you can imagine such a thing -- is somehow able to convey information and understanding from one person to another, even when one of them is not even present!
It's called a book!
Why, exactly, is it impossible to learn how to be a Jedi from a book? How hard would it be to write down stuff like "the Force is a thing", "focus", and "you have to believe really hard"? The book could be one page! If you really wanted to work it and turn it into a series to keep the publishing company happy, you could call the first book BELIEVE and the next one FOCUS! ( Or BELIEVE 2: JEDI BOOGALOO, whatever. )
A wacky conspiracy theorist might suggest that the real reason a Jedi must be trained by a living, breathing master is to artificially limit the number of Jedi out there. Because if everyone can use the Force, Philistine, all you'd have to do is mass produce a "Force for Dummies" book and if the thing really caught on you'd have billions of Jedi popping up everywhere!
And how the hell does this writer get away with claiming there's no such thing as a Jedi textbook or a Jedi college? It's as if he never even watched the prequels or the sequels and just stopped at the OT! Like, try to grasp that what you saw in the OT was a few survivors of a pogrom, in extremis, and not at all what things would be like under normal circumstances...
Killing me, Smalls! Or should I say, write on, man! Lol Yeah that is a great point but I figure the thing is that the reason the Jedi catch them young is to prevent pollution of the mind by outside media influence through pop culture and other venues of propaganda…
And they trained for decades to literally be able to move the smallest things, so I imagine for the vast majority, it isn’t worth the effort, whereas for the few who really show special talent, it comes as easily as breathing after only a few years.
This, of course, raises the question of genetics and why wouldn’t the Jedi simply figure a way around the inability to clone Jedi without mental disease and insanity, even if they had to simply give up on forced maturation and just rented the facilities on Kamino long term instead. We already know they were into mucking about with cloning which is dangerously close to the Dark Side where Plagueius had no issues for the obvious.
Which is what? This is not a military operation as we would define it. How can we say what is appropriate for a space vessel in a galaxy far far away.
Same but that's not Star Wars. Closest we got was in the Clone Wars and even that is stretching it.
That's always been the case.
I made up a system very easily based on the Atlas. All the ships are always oriented too-up in the movies so there must be a reason.
That would be splitting galaxy in half on the horizontal with everything above the median or below the median calling for angular momentum on top of the bow plane or below it. Naval language still applies in space, regardless of whether or not there is an actual bow plane. Then, using Coruscant as the True North point, you mark off a compass in 360 degrees, same as being in a submarine. Captain is thenceforth able to call out “Come about to two-eight-five, thirty degrees negative on the bow plane, engine at two-thirds,” and it would make sense, provided they also call out an order to orient the bow to system-normal.
That would be splitting galaxy in half on the horizontal with everything above the median or below the median calling for angular momentum on top of the bow plane or below it. Naval language still applies in space, regardless of whether or not there is an actual bow plane. Then, using Coruscant as the True North point, you mark off a compass in 360 degrees, same as being in a submarine. Captain is thenceforth able to call out “Come about to two-eight-five, thirty degrees negative on the bow plane, engine at two-thirds,” and it would make sense, provided they also call out an order to orient the bow to system-normal.
Sure, you can make it make sense, and no doubt such a system exists in universe because of how we see ships interacting. Yes, you can make it work, and certainly the original ANH battle and ROTJ battle had references to ".05" and other such angles of attack.
Yes, it can work with larger ships. We haven't seen it done in the same way on larger capital ships so I don't imagine a submarine would be the best fit for the language. I think aerial language would be a better fit.
That's me. It's all largely a thought experiment since we have nothing in universe to say one way or the other.
Indeed. Starfighters would likely adopt aerial language. I could totally see that.
For the capitals, though, I imagine they’d be more naval just because of their traditional roles as corvettes, destroyers, carriers, etc.
For the capitals, though, I imagine they’d be more naval just because of their traditional roles as corvettes, destroyers, carriers, etc.
Maybe. But commanders are really seen being that proactive. Orders are very generic.
Again, not saying it's not possible. Just that it is presented in the text. And that if you insist upon being more and more like a real world navy then eventually people are going to stop watching at some level because I can go and watch a military thriller and enjoy that, rather than the space fantasy with laser swords and space magic.
Well, we know everything in the Empire was regimented to the nth degree so it wouldn’t surprise me to have stringent protocols in place.
Plus, we also know Vader was operating several clandestine labs on various worlds that didn’t officially exist.
Which brings me to another controversial opinion: Anakin dropped the ball on Tatooine with the B’omarr Monks.
Think about it: the B’omarr were experts in removing brains from bodies and Kaminoans were experts at cloning. Why, therefore, didn’t Vader just program the B’omarr techniques into some 2-1Bs and clone himself a new body? Who cares about clone madness since the brain would be removed and replaced by Vader’s? We know the B’omarr are capable of putting brains from different species into host bodies by what they did to Bib Fortuna.
Palpatine had to know of the B’omarr and their practices since he pretty much handpicked Tatooine as his lab-world for Anakin. Vader would have also likely been aware of it, and he was certainly aware of Kaminoan cloning techniques.
Plus, we also know Vader was operating several clandestine labs on various worlds that didn’t officially exist.
Which brings me to another controversial opinion: Anakin dropped the ball on Tatooine with the B’omarr Monks.
Think about it: the B’omarr were experts in removing brains from bodies and Kaminoans were experts at cloning. Why, therefore, didn’t Vader just program the B’omarr techniques into some 2-1Bs and clone himself a new body? Who cares about clone madness since the brain would be removed and replaced by Vader’s? We know the B’omarr are capable of putting brains from different species into host bodies by what they did to Bib Fortuna.
Palpatine had to know of the B’omarr and their practices since he pretty much handpicked Tatooine as his lab-world for Anakin. Vader would have also likely been aware of it, and he was certainly aware of Kaminoan cloning techniques.
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Do what now?
Palpatine hand-picked Tatooine to create Anakin. Being the Sith he was, he would have combed the entire planet inch by inch to make sure there was nothing that could befoul his plans. Therefore, he would have known about the B’omarr and their brain removal and restoration capabilities.
Palpatine also being Palpatine, he would have attempted to keep this information from Anakin specifically so Vader couldn’t regrow a new body and pull a Darth Plagueius without using Sith techniques, but rather straight medical and cloning technology.
Anakin would have likely discovered this as well, if he didn’t know of it sooner. He was already doing experiments with Starkiller and trying to break Palpatine’s hold over him via his need to be “re-suited” every six months or so.
Palpatine also being Palpatine, he would have attempted to keep this information from Anakin specifically so Vader couldn’t regrow a new body and pull a Darth Plagueius without using Sith techniques, but rather straight medical and cloning technology.
Anakin would have likely discovered this as well, if he didn’t know of it sooner. He was already doing experiments with Starkiller and trying to break Palpatine’s hold over him via his need to be “re-suited” every six months or so.
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Anakin created Luke. If anyone picked Tatooine, it was Obi-Wan.
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