The Clone Wars and Rebels - A First Timer's Thread

[Ithekro]

She's good. She has the chance to be a fulcrum to the balance for Anakin Skywalker between falling to the Dark Side and staying in the Light. But we know what happens in Revenge of the Sith. But we (the audience) still hope against hope that "maybe it can be different." If only....

 

[fireproof78]

She's good. She has the chance to be a fulcrum to the balance for Anakin Skywalker between falling to the Dark Side and staying in the Light. But we know what happens in Revenge of the Sith. But we (the audience) still hope against hope that "maybe it can be different." If only....

That's the closet the prequel era ever did to give me a faint sense of hope. It was barely there.

 

[tomalak301]

That's the closet the prequel era ever did to give me a faint sense of hope. It was barely there.

One of the things I love about the context this series is providing is there is so much emotional weight to Anakin’s turn in ROTS. In that movie we really only see Obi Wan and Padme really impacted by it, mainly because we really didn’t know who the other characters were. We an an inkling but this series fleshed them out really well. Also they fleshed the clones so to watch Order 66 being given made the clones more the victim than the absolute enemy. Also being able to be introduced to Ahsoka and have her be kind of a stand in for the audience, that scene when Anakin is walking away was heartbreaking.

 

[tomalak301]

That was one hell of a finale, all four parts of it. I see this finale and I go back to what I said maybe last week about how this show seemed to be Ahsoka's Journey. Maybe that's not how it started, but it sure is how it ended. I especially loved her line saying "As Jedi we were taught that we were keepers of peace, but all my life I have been a soldier". I also compared her to Luke's journey, how when Star Wars first started we were watching Luke grow up before our very eyes. Well, when The Clone Wars started, we saw a character in Ahsoka who was brash, disobeyed orders, but over time grew up to actually question what the Jedi represent, and I think these episodes showed how she truely was on the light side of the force. Same with Luke in Return of the Jedi and not killing Darth Vader when the temptation was there. She even went so far as to not want to kill the clones, even though the Clones would kill her. In fact, she seemed like the only one (And maybe Plo as well) who treated the clones as human beings rather than the soilders they were. Order 66 was tragic mainly because it killed the Jedi but it made the Clones victims and Ahsoka really understood that.

I really liked how her relationship with Rex developed. They really were friends to the end, and Ahsoka really wanting to save him showed true loyalty.

In terms of the very last shot with Darth Veder, I'm not sure if that was a fan squee moment or not. It was a great moment though, even though I wasn't really clear on what the bird symbolized. He picks up the saber and then it looks like he sees a hawk. Am I reading too much into it or was that supposed to mean something.

As for the series as a whole, I really liked it. It had it's bumps along the way, but it provided great context to the prequel trilogy, and to have the end of Season 7 happening congruently with Revenge, that really was a great choice. If this was Ahsoka's story, then show Ahsoka during Order 66. I know she survives because of Mandalorian, but I was really fearful that she would actually die.

Looking forward to seeing her and Rex in Rebels.

 

[Ithekro]

The bird is the same one from the Mortis arc. What was left of Anakin Skywalker likely "died" when we he found his apprentices lightsaber, and saw the bird that was a symbol of shorts of Ahsoka after Mortis. She was gone. Everyone was gone. There was no hope left for Anakin. Only Vader and Palpatine remains.


For now.

 

[Sparkle Fabulosa]

Just wanted to pop in and say that I’m starting back up again from where I left off in season 3. Not hijacking the thread. Peace out.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

There are episodes in the series where one 22 minute episode did more for the character of Anakin than the three prequel movies ever did, making him a complex and sympathetic character whose ultimate fate is actual a sad thing, rather than being some perpetual moody teenager.

 

[fireproof78]

There are episodes in the series where one 22 minute episode did more for the character of Anakin than the three prequel movies ever did, making him a complex and sympathetic character whose ultimate fate is actual a sad thing, rather than being some perpetual moody teenager.

Curious to hear people's thoughts; did those episodes make ROTS more enjoyable by their addition?

 

[Turtletrekker]

The bird is the same one from the Mortis arc. What was left of Anakin Skywalker likely "died" when we he found his apprentices lightsaber, and saw the bird that was a symbol of shorts of Ahsoka after Mortis. She was gone. Everyone was gone. There was no hope left for Anakin. Only Vader and Palpatine remains.


For now.

The bird's name is Morai, and she also appears in Rebels and she appeared in the Mandalorian as well.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Morai

 

[tomalak301]

Curious to hear people's thoughts; did those episodes make ROTS more enjoyable by their addition?

I like like the Clones themselves it made ROTS much more tragic. As for the Morai, I think I have to see that episode with Ahsoka again, but probably after Rebels. I'll look out for the bird in both shows.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Curious to hear people's thoughts; did those episodes make ROTS more enjoyable by their addition?

I rewatched ROTS a week or two ago. It's odd.

Hayden Christensen and Matt Lanter's portrayal are so different, and the Clone Wars 3D model acts different too. In particular, Christensen does an outstanding job reminding you of Anakin's inner conflict, overshadowing the ending, which is difficult to reconcile with CW, where even in the first episode of the finale Anakin is simply bad-ass, and seemingly the man who Obi-Wan spoke of in A New Hope, no hint of what's about to happen. But despite the seeming disconnect – which I can explain away with the films delving deeper into his personal life – I couldn't say it's a bad thing, it fits with the way ROTS begins as if it is the epilogue after the victory in Clone Wars, and accepting what follows it is more difficult.

For me, the whole film became much heavier. I still have remember the chills I got in 2005 from the night scene outside of Jedi Temple, during the realization that the whole fictional world had been just torn apart in moments time, and would be no longer anything like it was. After Clone Wars, it actually felt as if that mattered. I felt emptiness, and I am sure I had a nightmare afterwards this time around. So, better.

Oh, yes, and the death of all the Jedi becomes personal. You feel for Aayla Secura when they kill her, and when it looks like Luminara Unduli is about to be.

Overall, I'd say ROTS becomes a better film. No nuggets like “Why is Aurra Sing waiting to assassinate Anakin during the pod race? Wait, how is she born already, and how does she know who he is, did she time travel after R2 saved him?” moment in TPM.

 

[tomalak301]

I guess I can keep this thread going with Rebels. Watched the Spark of the Rebellion 2 parter and so far so good. Only character I didn't like so far was Zeb, but then I thought he was kind of a bastard for leaving Ezra behind. Hera looks like the mother sarrogate and I'm so glad I finally get to meet Sebine. When Bo-Katan first appeared in Mandalorian, there was a lot of talk about Sabine's character and I wasn't sure who that was. Kanan looks like he just picked up a new Padawan in Ezra so that should be interesting.

I did really like the animation. This looked cleaner and clearer than some of the early episodes of The Clone Wars. Looking forward to diving deeper into the series, as it's pretty short, only 4 seasons. Also, I was told this is where I meet Grand Admiral Thrawn. Should be fun.

 

[Turtletrekker]

FYI-- Young Kanan had a blink and you miss it cameo in the final arc of Clone Wars with his master.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/star-wars-clone-wars-season-7-kanan-cameo/amp/

 

[tomalak301]

FYI-- Young Kanan had a blink and you miss it cameo in the final arc of Clone Wars with his master.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/star-wars-clone-wars-season-7-kanan-cameo/amp/

For me it was more of a I don't know who these people are type moment, but that's pretty cool. I do enjoy how connected this Star Wars universe is getting.

Just watched episode 3 and it's been a while since I've seen ROTS, but when did C-3PO get the silver leg? I think the last time I saw him in Clone Wars was season 4.

 

[thribs]

Good show but I wasn’t the biggest fan of the finale. I probably built it too much up in my head.
I also wish they completed the other episodes.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I do enjoy how connected this Star Wars universe is getting.

Then you'll enjoy this. That final Clone Wars arc also featured a cameo from a character from "Solo: A Star Wars Story".

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/star-wars-the-clone-wars-dryden-vos/amp/

 

[USS Firefly]

I did really like the animation. This looked cleaner and clearer than some of the early episodes of The Clone Wars.

Me too, except for the lightsabers they are looking bad. I know they based It on the original lightsaber design, but In my opinion It looks cheap.

 

[Reverend]

Something that became increasingly clear as season 7 went on is that they (understandably) ended up repurposing a *lot* of unused assets from the unfinished Clone Wars episodes for the first season of 'Rebels'. The cockpit interior for the Ghost was repurposed from The Silver Angel (though in it's original incarnation it was "The Black Ace" and the Trace sisters were a dude called Nyx Okami*), the Kessel mine where they rescue the Wookies was also originally designed for that arc, Sabine's character design was developed from Rook Kast, the ruins of Fort Anaxes from the Bad Batch arc show up early in season 1 and as someone already brought up the Kanan né Caleb Dume cameo, the creature featured in said episode was snuck into the background in a few of the Bad Batch arc's scenes. There are more, but you haven't got there yet so i don't want to spoil!

* Side note: am I hearing things, or did they temp track that scene with William's scoring for Home Alone?!

For me it was more of a I don't know who these people are type moment, but that's pretty cool. I do enjoy how connected this Star Wars universe is getting.

Now that you've seen some of Rebels, go watch 'Rogue One', you just might see and hear a few familiar things, here and there...

Just watched episode 3 and it's been a while since I've seen ROTS, but when did C-3PO get the silver leg? I think the last time I saw him in Clone Wars was season 4.

This is about 14 years after RotS, so all one can presume is that he got it at some point in the interim. I don't think there's a canon story that depicts this change, but it is Star Wars, so give it time...

 

[tomalak301]

Now that you've seen some of Rebels, go watch 'Rogue One', you just might see and hear a few familiar things, here and there...

I do think I need to rewatch Rouge One. My issue with that movie was I actually didn't know who those people were or what was actually happening, so I was a little confused by it. Now that I do have this expanded scope of this universe, I think it might actually improve on a second watch, not to mention one of the things that stood out to me was in the Clone Wars finale when Ahsoka said "I am one with the force and the force is with me", I actually started to realize what that meant.

 

[Reverend]

I do think I need to rewatch Rouge One. My issue with that movie was I actually didn't know who those people were or what was actually happening, so I was a little confused by it. Now that I do have this expanded scope of this universe, I think it might actually improve on a second watch, not to mention one of the things that stood out to me was in the Clone Wars finale when Ahsoka said "I am one with the force and the force is with me", I actually started to realize what that meant.

Keep in mind that by the end of 'Rogue One', we knew as much about those characters as we did of Luke, Leia, Hand & Chewie by the end of ANH. Part of the adventure is in getting to know new characters. You don't need to already be invested in the protagonists for a story to work, or else how can ANY story get started?

Something 'Rogue One' did was show the general movie audiences that the Skywalker Saga isn't the story of the galaxy, it's the story of the Skywalkers. And while they intersect with a lot of events, there's still a lot going on tangentially and in parallel to that story. Like for example: the entirety of the Clone Wars. It's a footnote in the saga itself, and yet it's still a rich font of storytelling. As is the forming of the Rebel Alliance, the Galactic Civil war itself (like the Clone Wars, only every so slightly glimpsed at in the OT), the post war years, and of course The High Republic.

This is all thanks to the way Lucas first developed the franchise. If one reads the various drafts he went through for the first movie, you'll see the plot, narrative and main characters all change drastically. It's because he didn't have a particular story to tell, he was developing the world first and seeing what kind of story he could tell inside it.